What's the Real Reason We Struggle in Relationships and at Work?

[00:00:03] Welcome to The Lighten Up Project, the show that reminds us that healing doesn't have to be heavy. I'm Malcolm Grissom, the stand-up CEO and founder of the World Laughter Organization. Let's explore how humor, heart, and play save the day and create spaces for healing and connection.

[00:00:33] So let's get ready to laugh, learn, and lighten up. Hey, my light, my fellow lightmakers. Thank you once again for joining another episode of The Lighten Up Project.

[00:00:59] My name is Malcolm Grissom. I am the stand-up CEO and founder of the World Laughter Organization, and you're not. Today, on The Lighten Up Project, we are going to be talking about one of the topics that's near and dear to my heart. Human potential. Human potential.

[00:01:27] And what happens when someone looks at the subject and says, That's not enough. I'll take them all. My guest today is Jim Marshall. He's a polymath who spent over 50,000 hours studying everything from psychology to philosophy to engineering, metaphysics,

[00:01:55] and probably a few things the rest of us didn't even know were options. Today, he has started a classical education, moved into engineering, and then thought, You know what? Let's figure out humans too. So he did. He went out and he became a human development engineer,

[00:02:20] And he created something called Septimix. Systems designed to help people understand themselves on a whole new level. We'll get into that. It's going to be fun. So if you've ever Googled, and you thought, What am I doing with my life? And you ended up more confused than you were to begin with,

[00:02:50] One thing, don't ask Google those questions. Figure it out other ways, because Google can't tell you. But your GPT can't tell you either. But if you've done that, this episode is for you. So let's lighten up, and maybe take some notes, And let's welcome Jim Marshall.

[00:03:20] Hi, Jim. How are you today? Hi, Malcolm. Good to see you. Good to see you too. Thank you very much for joining our community, The Lighten Up Nation. You are the next member. I love it. Hey, Jim, would you mind joining me In 20 seconds of spontaneous, spontaneous laughter?

[00:03:50] Okay. All right. Okay. I've never done that before, but I can try. Okay. There's always a first. There's always a first. There are many things that amuse me, So maybe if I think about them. Yeah. Yeah. Go. There you go. Okay. All right. So one, two, three.

[00:04:25] Take my life, please. Yes. I love that. Yes. I love him. So tell us, Jim, Before we get started talking about All these wonderful things that you've been doing with your life and human development and human potential, that is, well, that's really the one, the one of the foundations

[00:04:53] of the World Laughter Organization. But before we get into all of that, tell me what are, what is your relationship with laughter and joy? You know, I laugh a lot. I'm very often surprised. In other words, I'll tune into, let's say, some guy on YouTube and he'll say something that's funny and it cracks me up, you know, and I'm surprised that I'm laughing.

[00:05:23] So for me, most of the time, it's like, part of it is a surprise that I wasn't expecting it. You know, like a guy's giving the news and all of a sudden goes into an impersonation of Donald Trump, which is pretty good, you know, I don't know if it makes me laugh. So, I always think about it as a, like a pleasant surprise. Pleasant surprise. I like that. I like that. I like that.

[00:05:52] Where in your life, besides reacting, so a lot of people think of, when they think of laughter and they think of joy, but especially laughter, they think of it as a response, as a reaction, and that's all. So, in your life, where in your life,

[00:06:20] besides what you've already mentioned, the YouTube and, you know, things like that, where do you experience joy? All kinds of places, you know, I'm a pretty lighthearted person, and, and also, you know, my general demeanor is one that predisposes me to laugh easily. So, I like quips and jokes and things like that, and,

[00:06:50] you know, interacting with people I like, you know, and sometimes they say funny things, and sometimes I do, and then we all laugh, and, you know, that's sort of how my life goes. Mm-hmm. Actually, I'm a lot, I'm a, as a person, I'm a lot like George Burns. I don't know if you know George Burns. I, of course I do. I'm a comedian. What, what comedian does not know George Burns? Right. So, like, he and I are like very similar people.

[00:07:20] I mean, the, I mean, I don't smoke a cigar, but other than that, we're very similar. Yes. Yeah, but greasy. Not at the moment, but I have. Oh, okay. I have in the, in the past, yes. Yes, George and Gracie. Hey, so, you spent over 50,000 hours studying human development. What originally took you down that path? Okay.

[00:07:49] Well, the story really starts when I was accepted into engineering school at age 16. Now, of course, I thought, as did all the other engineering students, that I was going to be engineering physical things, such as airfoils and motors and electrons and such. But by the time I had my bachelor's degree, it was clear that I wanted to engineer the human psyche. Because that is the area of greatest mystery, of greatest unknown, and more importantly,

[00:08:18] it's the area in which we, as a race, are failing miserably. 95% of the problem was in industrialized society because people don't understand people, don't understand the spouse, don't understand the child, don't understand the boss, don't understand the next door neighbor. That's the main problem that most people have now, because all these other physical things we've sort of conquered. So, to make a long story short, I then had a long career as a human development engineer,

[00:08:49] where I'd write engineering principles, engineering tactics, engineering devices, engineering ideas, engineering objects, engineering techniques, to personal development. And I worked one-on-one with hundreds of clients at every description. And each of them improved as a result of our interaction. Basically, I was using Socratic dialogue aided by biofeedback. So,

[00:09:19] when I could see that I could predict the outcome of the session, that became a regular thing. I didn't tell anybody, but I made notes. And as the years went by, it became obvious to me that the client would be at a specific level, on a specific scale that I had previously observed and recorded. There is no theory of subtemics. This is all based on direct empirical observation, which is what you're going to get from an engineer. So,

[00:09:49] by 1995, I had actually observed and recorded 32 scales across 32 different areas of human phenomena. in my work with my clients. Interestingly, when I would go outside the session and go to the bank or Walmart or whatever, I would see exactly the same thing in people that I didn't even know. every time the client

[00:10:20] went to the next level up, it verified my hypothesis because the clients knew absolutely nothing about what I was doing and how I was doing it. So, there could not possibly be a placebo effect or any power of suggestion. Even more so in dealing with strangers. You know, I go to the bank, I'm watching two guys, and I could see this guy as if this level and the sky's at this level. They don't know who I am. They don't know that they're there, but they're there.

[00:10:50] It's just like, go back, let's say, 3,000 years on Earth. Did people know that the Earth was revolving around the sun? I don't think so. But it was. It took a long time for them to actually accept that idea. It actually took 1,800 years if you want to know the whole history of that subject. 1,800 years for people to go from when it was first propounded until it became accepted. Yeah.

[00:11:20] So, that's something that I just, like any scientist, I just discovered this phenomenon and wrote it down. By 1995, I had about 32 scales, and I was pondering a difficult client one day. I was trying to assess her against a scale that I knew by then was correct from decades of usage, and I was getting nowhere. I could not find where she was on that scale until I realized this scale

[00:11:50] has a seventh level. It was a phenomenon that I had never previously seen, and there were very specific technical reasons for that that I could explain if you want, but because I had never seen this phenomenon, it wasn't in the scale. And once I saw what it was, I understood the client perfectly, and I knew exactly where to fit it into the scale, and at that moment, it went from being a line, which is what a scale is, to a plane

[00:12:19] being a whole body of theta. And all of these interlocking, intersecting, interacting, mathematical phenomena jumped out at me about this. Now, I have to realize I took 26 semesters of math, so when math appears, I recognize it. It's not an obscure thing to me. I saw this thing had math in it. I said, whoa, I don't know what this is, but whatever the hell it is, it has to be natural law because it has mathematics embedded in it,

[00:12:48] and anything that has mathematics embedded in it is natural law. Like, for example, a Fibonacci sequence. So then I thought to myself, I'm wondering how many of these other scales that I have might also be seven-level scales that had not been developed all the way, but you have to realize I wasn't developing anything. I was just helping my clients and making notes. So knowing what I was looking for, which is the key here,

[00:13:18] I studied all these other scales, and in a short period of time, each of them went to seven levels, and when it did, it manifested mathematically. So now I had 32 seven-level scales, each of which had mathematics embedded in it, that each of which corresponded to a specific area of human phenomena. I said, whoa, this looks like a new subject to me. Now, some people have said to me, what book is your book like? And I have to tell

[00:13:48] them in all Canada, I don't think there's ever been a book like this before, but every one of these, every one of these scales, go ahead. Jim, yeah, yeah, before we go too far and get into the book, let's back up for a moment. Okay. So our listeners can catch up, and for some of our listeners, explain to us, so you're using scales. Explain to us

[00:14:17] what a scale is, please. Well, it comes from the wrong word scholar, which means ladder. It's a ladder. So if you have, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven in a specific order, that's a scale. I mean, science is full of these things. There are all kinds of scales out there. And how, so specific, when we're talking about human development and the scales,

[00:14:47] how are the two connected? So what does it look like? So explain to us, like, if you were explaining to a 14-year-old the scale and human development and how it's, how it's connected and what the scale in terms of human development looks like, how would you explain it? Well, the first thing I should say to sort of

[00:15:16] give a context to this is that I am the discoverer of hitherto unknown natural phenomena which greatly aid in the understanding of people from which I crafted a workable philosophic system called Septemix published in the book Septemix Hierarchies Human Phenomena. So most people in the subject of humanity or humans or interactions

[00:15:46] don't have a clue and I'll give you an analogy for that. I've been into gardening since I was a small boy so you might say really why don't you come over and look at my garden I said okay so I show up at Malcolm's house and I go in the backyard and I said oh Malcolm has hydrangeas irises tulips begonias forget-me-nots or anything else that you have lily of the valley now the reason I

[00:16:16] can analyze it that way is I know a lot about flowers if you bring some five year old kid into your garden he will see and smell exactly what I saw and smell but all they can say is these are pretty and they smell nice that's all the news now most adults are like that little kid regarding people they don't know what they're looking at they don't

[00:16:46] have a clue and that is why in the United States more than 50% of marriages end in divorce clearly those two people did not know what they were looking at because if they did they either would not have gotten married or they would have gotten married and lived happily ever after this is a big big problem that everybody has so let's say you have a guy and Friday night comes he says I want to go out and meet a young

[00:17:15] lady he puts on his best suit he goes to a nice bar he meets a congenial young lady he buys her a drink they're talking right and after a few minutes he thinks to himself she's pretty and she smells nice that's the same thing the little kid just said about your garden this guy doesn't know anything about this woman he gets her number and god help him he doesn't know what he's kidding himself into I mean he might be lucky but he also might be unlucky

[00:17:44] now if he knew these scales he would be able to spot her on some of these scales for better or worse he might be able to say oh I can see she's a level three on the scale of basic purposes and that would really really help him understand her well and she would be surprised at how well he was understood she was understood by him okay okay great thank you so

[00:18:14] now we're on these where on these scales not where on these scales but I should say how does laughter and joy interact with this and how does it come into play and where does it fit in everything that you're talking about right now laughter and joy is what you get when you use this material this

[00:18:45] material I know for a fact for very specific technical reasons undercuts depression and anxiety so when you get rid of depression and anxiety what's left laughter so when I was a young man obviously this material didn't exist I hadn't discovered it yet and so I made the same stupid mistakes that everybody else makes right so had a lot of

[00:19:15] times of the opposite of laughter and joy right a lot of heartache and regret and stuff like that that we all sort of have now for me that absolutely cannot does not will not happen so it's mostly laughter and joy because when I see some guy who is at or near the bottom of a certain scale I know we're done thank you very much have a nice day goodbye

[00:19:46] see and the opposite is also true I see somebody who's very high in his scale I say oh this is an upscale person and I laughter and joy so in my life there is no drama you know I don't get upset I don't get worried I don't get angry now of course if something physical happens to me like I stub my toe well I'm not too happy

[00:20:16] for the next 10 seconds you know but other than that in what we're talking about laughter and joy interaction it's very positive because I'm able to get the people out of my life who are at or near the bottom of the scales because I

[00:20:57] she's low on this scale okay now we're having another conversation oh she's low on this other scale okay now we're having another conversation I know she's low on another scale wait a minute I barely know this know and I have at or near the bottom of three scales and what that means to me and this is not a speculation this is simply a projection what that means to me is if I were to analyze her across all of these scales

[00:21:28] she's probably going to be at or near the bottom of 10 or 12 or 15 or 18 scales you see that is not somebody I'm going to get involved there was nothing negative between us we didn't have an argument we didn't have a fight we didn't have a disagreement it was extremely congenial pleasant all smiles and laughter right but I could see that this was somebody who was going to be a lot of trouble to me

[00:21:58] this person was going to be a major source of aggravation because she's at or near the bottom of these scales and the scales so I just went to her the next time I said you're a very nice person but pass she was shocked you know when she was shocked that's one of the first guy that ever did that to her because she was so beautiful and glamorous every other guy would have jumped right in

[00:22:29] but I knew better I let it go bye no regret didn't think about her again so think about all the aggravation I saved myself think about all the money I saved myself think about all the time I spent right all the hundred dollar dinners on a Saturday night when I could have been going out with somebody else who was actually going to be part of my

[00:22:59] life so I streamlined my life very well there see I was able to make that calculation with certainty that this is not going to work in other words I didn't have to run over by a train before I figured this out I could figure it out intellectually by looking at it and so this is how my life goes I see certain people and I see that they're up

[00:23:29] stale people and I surround myself with those people and us laughter in joy it's very easy to cover today and I'll tell you something else most people are high on some skills and low on other skills fewer than 1% of all humans are at the top of all the skills so you can just forget that so when you meet a person this person is going to have high skills and low skills

[00:23:59] but once I know what it is it's not a problem because I can just tip to around it so when that person goes into this behavior that's kind of a down scale behavior I say oh alright she's doing that thing again I just don't make a thing about it I tip to it so I'm able to preserve the relationship and benefit from the 12 or 15 or 18 up scale things about the person and that is how my

[00:24:29] life goes I find people who are at a high level in that context and that's who I stay with so for example the guy who works on my car is at least an expert in auto mechanics he works on million dollar cars okay as far as I can tell and I know a lot about cars this guy knows everything there is

[00:25:10] on all these other scales it doesn't matter to me it doesn't matter to me if he's high in the scale of literacy it doesn't matter to me if he's high on the scale of permeation that's not relevant what's relevant is this guy can fix my car correctly inexpensively the first time he gets it right that's what I want that's my

[00:25:42] place on the scale so for example I have somebody I know who has a wonderful sense of humor is I you know we kid around all the time you know this person is what I would call a political extremist and you know kind of at the opposite end of the spectrum from me I just don't let it be a factor and we can still enjoy one another and that's how my whole life is now so you know I kind of have a life

[00:26:12] that you know I don't have a lot of grimacing there's no regret I don't make stupid mistakes I know what I'm dealing with because I know this material I love this this is great so tell us what is one pattern that you've noticed in individuals that repeats and that it repeats over and over again and it's something that holds

[00:26:42] them back it it they're low on I'm sure it would affect more than one skill I got a good example I mentioned a similar right so so I meet a okay but then I have to see where are they on the scale of sexuality level five on the scale of sexuality is literally

[00:27:11] cannot have sex there are people who cannot have sex that's where they are in that scale so this has happened to me many times I meet somebody really interested in this person you know like one another laugh together you know we're good for but I am able to figure out oh I see now I know where this person is single she can't have sex so she's not gonna have with

[00:27:41] me or anybody else so that's the end of that so you know it's not a mystery it's not a problem I just let it go okay that's where that person is at and you know I'm not gonna keep banging my head against the brick wall because that's where that person is at you know it's just like a chrysanthemum and a rose they're different if you want flowers to make a nice smell in your house roses are the item not chrysanthemums chrysanthemums don't have much of a

[00:28:11] smell you see so I'm the same way with people this lady is a chrysanthemum and this lady is a rose see and I can sort of navigate that very easily and smoothly and it saves me a lot of wasted time and irritation and foolishness so what is one step that someone could take if they want to begin this meaningful personal growth

[00:28:41] I invite your viewers to my website which is septemix.com s-e-p-t-e-m-i-c-s where they could see what many readers have said about it what many journalists have written about it what the reviews are they can read sections of books that they can listen to that explains it to a new person in 15 minutes invite them to do that

[00:29:12] you're probably going to want to buy this book because it's available hardbound softbound and e-book if you get the e-book it's very cheap you can have it in a minute or two and you can change your whole life because I've been telling me for 30 years wow this changed my whole life that's what they tell me so this is a life changing book so it's very easy to access it's not expensive if you can read English

[00:29:42] reasonably well and you want to improve yourself for others or both this is for you okay okay so let's give people a in terms of systematic thinking how do does understanding systems help people to make better

[00:30:11] decisions in their lives well understanding systems could be many different things understanding septemics is something very specific and that absolutely helps people make better decisions in their lives because it gets rid of the problem that everyone has which is understanding people that's the problem that most people have and if you just look around the world you see that like I'm sure you're aware what went on

[00:30:41] in Minneapolis a couple of months ago right a lot of bad stuff rioting and everything else right you know why that happened those two groups of people don't understand one another if they understood one another they would be fine they would be laughing that's why things are very easy for me because I understand people and so I can have a very lighthearted clear way of dealing with it so it's not upsetting to me on the other

[00:31:11] hand it's amusing and pleasant because I understand this material so let me tell you how this is generally beneficial without getting into specifics each of these 35 scales provides the user with an infallible way of determining the salutariness or the beneficialness of any individual group or activity if that individual group or activity moves persons up the scale it's beneficial or positive

[00:31:40] if it moves them down it's detrimental or negative so I am giving you a yardstick by which to measure human affairs which is an entirely new thing more importantly when you find either yourself or another person at any level none of you say ah this guy is at this level you have what you could call an insight or a realization that is one of the ways that you know

[00:32:10] you found the right level so for example you say gee I wonder where my mother is on the scale of basic purposes so you know her well you study oh I see and you will have all that's why when I was three years old she said that and that's why when I was 17 she did this to me you'll have all these realizations now your relationship with her just improved because you understand her much better and I can absolutely guarantee

[00:32:40] you pick any person on earth if you could find that person's level on every scale you would understand that person better than he understands himself because this is precise accurate and specific it's not vague it's natural law it's just like the difference between a cat and a dog I'm sure you know cats and dogs are different

[00:33:10] lots of people have cats lots people have dogs some people like cats some people don't like dogs I like them both you know why I like them both I see what they are cat is a certain type of creature you have to treat him a certain way a dog is very different if you treat a cat the way you would treat a dog that cat will not like you you can't put a collar and a leash on a cat and say let's go for a walk wolf cats not going to go along with that

[00:33:41] that's not how cats are you see people are the same way is this guy a cat or is this guy a dog say these all the time oh this guy is a dog okay good let's put a leash on and do for a walk so in other words it becomes very easy to develop an appropriate relationship well what happens when you develop an appropriate relationship laughter and joy it also enables you to stay away from the people who are going

[00:34:10] to wreck your life I am telling you if you find somebody who is at or near because that person is going to cause you a lot of trouble take the scale of basic purposes Adolf Hitler was at level seven the bottom of the scale of basic purposes his purpose was to destroy now a lot of people are going to say gee why would

[00:34:40] somebody have that for basic purpose well fortunately there aren't too many of these people what we do know is stay away from that person so this saves you a lot of trouble and also opens up a lot of positivity to you to be around people you really like so you know let's say I go to a certain place of business right there's like eight or ten people there I can see that this one person is at or near the bottom of a bunch of scales okay I'm a little

[00:35:10] careful I stay away from the person then I see this oh this is a very upscale person well the upscale person is the one I converse with I make jokes with you know I start a conversation how's your husband what's going on I like your jewelry you know there's what do you get laughter and joy and meanwhile this other person who is at the near the bottom of the skills you're not going to get joy from that person see you're going

[00:35:40] to get something like that so you don't deal with that person I can tell you many times I gone to a government agency with paperwork handed them my paperwork and the person said something like I can't accept this and they give you some reason I already know I did everything crossed all the T's and dottle all the I's this is a down scale person this person is not going to accept my

[00:36:10] paperwork I say fine I this is this guy I going to vote for now

[00:36:40] you just gave us a moment of humor that could have helped one of our listeners or more than one of our listeners get it all of a sudden by talking about cats and dogs is there another have you seen other moments like that where humor helps someone get it well let me put it this way

[00:37:09] humor laughter joy are effects rather than causes so the material that I'm giving you is a cause not an effect so it will result in that sort of a positive exchange in your life so you it's like it's something that

[00:37:39] if the relationship is there will occur you know and you hope it will and I hope to cultivate laughter and joy with everybody I deal with you know my son once said to me he would see me with taxi drivers and people who work in stores why do you talk to people because I like people you know I'll strike up a conversation with a guy like let's say I got an Uber driver right and he's wearing

[00:38:09] an LA Dodgers hat I say oh are you a Dodgers fan he says yeah how about you I say no I'm a Yankee fan oh well see and that's it we're in look three minutes later we're laughing we're having fun we have an interaction you see I cultivate it now if I had a guy who was wearing a hat with a swastika on it I'm not going to talk to that guy okay he's a Nazi I'm just going to say

[00:38:39] okay here's your money thank you goodbye so what you get from these scales is you get to know who are the nice guys and who are not the nice guys I mean I'm oversimplifying it but it's against 35 different axes I want to finish telling you something I started before which I didn't quite finish remember I said when you spot the level you have an insight you know you're having trouble getting along with Mary Lou and so you

[00:39:09] say let's see where's Mary Lou on the scale oh I see where she is for better or worse that could be oh she's at once you know the actual level of any person whether it's yourself or another

[00:39:39] you can improve that person by moving them up one level at a time this is more significant than it might seem at first because I have solved the gradient problem that has bedeviled mankind for 6,000 years and let me tell you what I mean by that we all have problems situations dilemmas difficulties that we can't resolve more than 99% of the time it's because we don't know the gradient that's why you hire an

[00:40:09] expert see I've worked as a trainer guy comes to me says Jim I'm 100 pounds of weight I've been able to deal with this will you train me yes okay now I have to find the gradient for this guy I'm not going to give him a hundred pound barbell that's home to lift it or to go run five miles a day that's malpractice I would say talk to him a little bit you know try to make a guess so I'm going to guess this guy can curl 15 pounds right so I give him a 15 pound

[00:40:39] dumbbell and say okay let's see how many of these you can do right so he starts doing and he says this is easy I could do this all day fine stop then I give him a 20 I do with this this is hefty I could do maybe I might be 15 of these stop so I want you to do 13 of these on each arm three times a day and next week we will discuss it

[00:41:09] a week later I this is murder my muscles raw I say fine just keep doing it if he says this is quite easy I can do 25 reps I say fine let's go to a higher weight that's finding the gradient that is what an expert does every good teacher coach facilitator in the world therapist

[00:41:38] in the world understands that human development must be done on a gradient you cannot make a couch potato into an olympic athlete because there are too many intervening levels you have to take the person where he is and move him up to the next level that is what I did with my clients for 40 years that is how I discovered this material I didn't know these scales were there but because of the nature of my work I could do it and I'll tell you another reason why

[00:42:08] I discovered this before anybody else let's say a guy has trouble with women right so he goes to a therapist he goes to therapy he says doc I'm not getting anywhere with women and he sees this nice psychologist for an hour a day for a year and at the end of the year says you know doc I'm doing much better now I think I can handle this right that's successful that's what we expect I could do that in 30 minutes with my human development engineer because of the biofeedback

[00:42:38] in 30 minutes your guy can see the 30 minutes head can say oh no I see why I'm not getting along with women it's because of this this this and this and that explains why he's happy see we're done with that subject now what difference there is I could see the flower blossom I could see this guy going from can't get along with women to can get along with women in

[00:43:08] 30 minutes and so I saw the whole phenomenon in front of me the therapist doesn't see that because it takes a year that's why I figured this out I would see oh this guy was here now he's here that must be the then another guy comes in to me who doesn't know this other guy and I see he's at the same level

[00:43:37] and we work and he goes up to that exact same level that verifies it okay that tells me this is a scale yeah so you see I was just moving people up the scale moving people up the scale and every time I feel much better about this now okay very good I'll see you next week yeah yeah

[00:44:07] I definitely I know what you're saying and this is this is great this streamline the way that we look at human development and potential and which you

[00:44:37] say and it definitely integrates with laughter and joy which I love I mean this is such a fascinating conversation that we're having but alas we can't it can't go on forever never so once again I know that you've said it before and all the information is in our show notes but once again I would like to

[00:45:07] invite you to verbalize how people can continue this conversation with you to learn more about satemics and what you do okay so septemics dot com it's everybody tells me it's a very good site people go to the site and they say oh I see what this guy's doing you know if you go through the site you're probably going to

[00:45:37] want to buy the book because ebooks are cheap let me tell you something I already know from 30 years of observing people get this guys only goes into a bookstore he sees a book on the shelf it says septemics he says what the hell is this he takes it down he opens it up doesn't matter what chapter he opens it up to he's going to look at and he's going to say something like oh this makes sense you know why he's saying that it's natural law anything that's natural law is intuitive

[00:46:06] it's not counter intuitive if you study Newton's three laws of motion they are very intuitive okay and all of science is full of that and the more you study it the more intuitive it becomes I mean if you look at the scales has its own periodic table you look at it breaks the whole thing down and not only does it give you the seven levels do you understand why

[00:46:36] why these levels are that way why they're in that order what are we measuring with this scale this is very detailed and very specific and I know axiomatically that the scales are correct now somebody might argue about what words I use and that's a legitimate argument because writing is an art but I have to tell you I spent thousands of hours carefully crafting this in a way that makes sense to people

[00:47:06] I get it now when people first see this this makes sense then they start getting into it and then at some point they go whoa this is big this will wow what yes this this you've got me very excited to go to Septimix to find out all about this because I this this this sounds wonderful this

[00:47:35] this sounds like something that could change the course of my coaching and change the course of other people's coaching yes and so yes I'm very excited so I'm definitely going to go there I would definitely going to suggest that all the listeners run don't walk to your computer if

[00:48:05] you're listening to this on a podcast run to your computer and look look up this website because this is fascinating stuff Jim let us boil this down to what is one thing I know you've given us so much to think about but what is one thing that you would like

[00:48:34] to leave our listeners with after this episode ends okay the data in this book are vital for every person I can help you to achieve your goals faster and easier by explaining what might otherwise seem to be inexplicable or random all those things that you couldn't figure out why didn't

[00:49:04] Gertrude like me why did my things will get resolved if you use this material and you'll understand them and then you won't think about them anymore this guy's been thinking about Gertrude for 18 years because they broke up when they

[00:49:40] here's why she loves you she's high in the scale and so are you there you go I love it I love it definitely definitely Jim one one more question I finished this sentence for me please healing doesn't have to be heavy because because it comes from within yourself love it love it love it so

[00:50:10] yes I can't wait to go onto your website and investigate all this this is yummy stuff this really is so thank you very much Jim for coming on the show for giving us this slice because this was only

[00:50:40] listening I really truly hope that you got as much out of this as I did and please keep coming back because this is how we make the lighten up nation stronger the lighten up nation is this is our global mission to spread laughter

[00:51:10] and joy and humor and play around the world and to help us navigate things like personal development and healing and this is what you do Jim you're just you do the same thing we just come at it from different standpoints and I love it

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