What does it actually mean to take care of yourself as a leader, not just as a therapist? In this conversation, Lisa sits down with longtime friend and colleague Jennifer Nagel to talk about congruence, self-leadership, and the retreat they are co-creating together in Costa Rica.
What You’ll Hear:
- Why congruence is more than honesty and what it looks like when your values, mind, body, and spirit are genuinely in alignment
- How group practice owners can get so focused on metrics and systems that they forget they are human beings first, and what the cost of that really is
- The skeleton and the heart: why structure and care are not opposites but partners
- What it means to take up space as someone who is used to giving everyone else space
- Why retreats create a different kind of transformation than any webinar or workshop can offer
- A first look at Coming Home to Congruence, the Costa Rica retreat happening January 31 to February 5, 2027
Resources Mentioned
Congruent Practice website: congruentpractice.com
Congruent Practice Facebook community: search Congruent Practice on Facebook
Coming Home to Congruence Costa Rica Retreat: January 31 to February 5, 2027 — registration is open now at congruentpractice.com
Featured Guest: Jennifer Nagel
Jennifer Nagel is a soul-centered counsellor, international facilitator, and best-selling author who has spent over two decades helping people navigate chaos, reconnect with their inner wisdom, and create meaningful, authentic lives. Deeply rooted in the Satir Model and experiential approaches to transformation, Jennifer brings a grounded presence, sharp insight, and a deep trust in the resources of the human spirit.
Her work spans continents and cultures — she has led programs and trainings in Canada, China, Kenya, Thailand, and Mexico, and currently serves as Director of Trainer Development with the Satir Institute of the Pacific. She is also senior faculty with the Banmen Satir China Management Centre.
Jennifer is the author of Magic in the Muck: Finding Grace in Chaos, co-author of Virginia Satir’s Evolving Legacy, and founder and co-author of the collaborative books Therapists Are Human Too and The Healing Journey to Authenticity, created through book-writing retreats she co-facilitated in Mexico.
Website: www.jennifernagelcounselling.com
Meet the Host: Lisa Catallo
Lisa is a Canadian psychotherapist, group practice owner, and business coach with over eight years of experience leading a thriving, values-driven practice. She works with therapists who are ready to step into their role as confident, ethical, and intentional leaders—without burning out or getting buried in the day-to-day.
Lisa’s coaching focuses on building sustainable group practices through efficient systems, effective leadership, and a deep respect for time and energy. Her approach is calm and encouraging, offering grounded guidance that helps therapists move from overwhelm to clarity—so they can lead with confidence and purpose.
Whether she’s supporting someone just starting to grow a team or helping a seasoned leader reclaim their role as CEO, Lisa brings a blend of insight, structure, and heart to everything she does.
When she’s not coaching or connecting with therapists, you’ll find her hanging out with her children and grandchildren, reading, walking by the water, or dreaming up new ways to make business feel a little lighter.
Connect with the Host:
Website: www.grouppracticenetwork.ca
Instagram: instagram.com/grouppracticenetwork
Facebook: facebook.com/grouppracticenetwork
LinkedIn:www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-catallo
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