In this solo episode, Jennifer explores the subtle difference between enjoying being useful and needing to be useful in order to feel valuable. Building on her recent conversations about caring without carrying and learning to receive, she looks beneath over-functioning and capability to the deeper human yearnings to matter, belong, and be loved — and invites us to experience the Self that remains when there is nothing we need to prove, fix, or earn.
This is an invitation not to become less caring or capable, but to have more freedom: to contribute because it is a genuine choice rather than evidence that we have earned our place.
What You’ll Hear:
The subtle difference between enjoying being useful and needing usefulness to feel valuable
How capability, responsibility, and attunement can be genuine resources while also becoming intertwined with identity and worth
What may be happening underneath over-functioning when we look below the behaviour through the Satir Iceberg
Why giving can sometimes feel safer than receiving — and how staying in the giver role can protect us from the vulnerability of having needs ourselves
What it means to bring your being into your role without allowing the role to define your worth
A gentle experiential practice for reconnecting with the Self underneath what you do
Resources Mentioned
Episode 49 - Interview with Robyn Vogel
Meet the Host: Jennifer Nagel
Jennifer Nagel is a soul-centered counsellor, international facilitator, and best-selling author who has spent over two decades helping people navigate chaos, reconnect with their inner wisdom, and create meaningful, authentic lives. Deeply rooted in the Satir Model and experiential approaches to transformation, Jennifer brings a grounded presence, sharp insight, and a deep trust in the resources of the human spirit.
Her work spans continents and cultures — she has led programs and trainings in Canada, China, Kenya, Thailand, and Mexico, and currently serves as Director of Trainer Development with the Satir Institute of the Pacific. She is also senior faculty with the Banmen Satir China Management Centre.
Jennifer is the author of Magic in the Muck: Finding Grace in Chaos, co-author of Virginia Satir’s Evolving Legacy, and founder and co-author of the collaborative books Therapists Are Human Too and The Healing Journey to Authenticity, created through book-writing retreats she co-facilitated in Mexico.
Connect with the Host:
Website: www.jennifernagelcounselling.com
https://www.congruentpractice.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifernagel1/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.nagel.566
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifernagelcounselling/
Costa Rica Retreat: Coming Home to Congruence: https://www.congruentpractice.com/costa-rica-retreat
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