In this warm and deeply personal conversation, Jennifer sits down with trauma-informed therapist, couples specialist and Come Back to Love creator Robyn Vogel to explore protective patterns, over-giving, vulnerability, and the often-overlooked practice of receiving. Together they explore what it means to soften without abandoning ourselves — and to come back to the love that may have been there underneath the armour all along.
What You’ll Hear:
Why the protections we developed through loss, hurt and unmet needs can later make intimacy and connection harder to receive.
How over-giving and self-sacrifice can actually become ways of avoiding receiving love, support and care.
A simple way to notice the difference between a healthy boundary and protective armour that may now be keeping you distant from what you truly want.
Why receiving can begin in tiny everyday moments — accepting a compliment, allowing support, saying “thank you,” and noticing the urge to minimize or push something away.
What can happen when the roles of therapist, facilitator, parent or leader become places we hide — and how bringing more of our being into our roles creates deeper connection.
The question Robyn returns to when she feels stuck: “What would love do?”
Resources Mentioned
Robyn VogelCome Back to Love: A Path to Healing
Featured Guest: Robyn Vogel
Robyn Vogel, MA, is a trauma-informed spiritual guide, IFS-trained couples specialist, certified Love and Intimacy Coach, and creator of Come Back to Love®. She helps individuals and couples heal relational wounds, soften protective patterns, and build more emotionally secure, authentic connections. Robyn teaches internationally, leads transformational retreats, trains facilitators, and is the author of Come Back to Love: A Path to Healing.
Follow Robyn Vogel:
Website: www.comebacktolove.com
Meet the Host: Jennifer Nagel
Jennifer Nagel is a soul-centered counsellor, international facilitator, and best-selling author who has spent over two decades helping people navigate chaos, reconnect with their inner wisdom, and create meaningful, authentic lives. Deeply rooted in the Satir Model and experiential approaches to transformation, Jennifer brings a grounded presence, sharp insight, and a deep trust in the resources of the human spirit.
Her work spans continents and cultures — she has led programs and trainings in Canada, China, Kenya, Thailand, and Mexico, and currently serves as Director of Trainer Development with the Satir Institute of the Pacific. She is also senior faculty with the Banmen Satir China Management Centre.
Jennifer is the author of Magic in the Muck: Finding Grace in Chaos, co-author of Virginia Satir’s Evolving Legacy, and founder and co-author of the collaborative books Therapists Are Human Too and The Healing Journey to Authenticity, created through book-writing retreats she co-facilitated in Mexico.
Connect with the Host:
Website: www.jennifernagelcounselling.com
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifernagelcounselling/
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