In this episode of The Healers Café, Alx Utterman and Manon Bolliger discussed how healers may absorb clients' stress and explored self-care practices for releasing that burden.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/alx-utterman
Highlights from today's episode include:
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Alx: Healers need to process the stress they absorb.
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Alx: A black rock can be used to release stress.
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Manon: Experience can lessen the impact without lessening compassion.
ABOUT ALX UTTERMAN
I've had a strange and dynamic life, worn many hats over decades: classically trained musician/performer, political activist, poet & published and performing, computer game journalist/book author/developer/columnist, meditation teacher, marketing writer for Silicon Valley, yoga teacher, Reiki master, singer-songwriter, radical self-care expert, and finally global spiritual leader & healer - a healer's healer. Mostly I train spiritual students all over the world how to be top-notch healers, and represent the spirituality from ancient India in a practical way, through my org UCBK & Universal Church Of Baba's Kitchen.
Core purpose/passion: Mostly training master healers to be able to do what I do -- especially empowering women as healers and spiritual masters.
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ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: 'What Patients Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship' and 'A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress'. and What if Your Body is Smarter than You Think? I am the Founder & CEO of The Bowen College Inc. which teaches BowenFirst™ Therapy and holds transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENing to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience".
Mission: A Healer in Every Household!
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe. Today I have with
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me Alx Utterman, and she is an well, I guess
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energeticsofselfcare.com is really her organization, and she
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has had a strange and dynamic life, wearing a multitude of
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different hats, classically trained musician and performer,
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political activist, poet, published and performing,
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computer games journalist, book author, developer, columnist,
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columnist, meditation teacher, marketing writer for Silicon
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Valley yoga teacher, Reiki master, singer, songwriter,
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radical self-care expert, and finally, global spiritual
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leader, healer, a healer's healer. That is quite the intro.
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Eddie is a head
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Alx Utterman: that wears a lot of hats.
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Manon Bolliger: Yes, I, I thought I can do that. That's a
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sentence. Anyway, so I just want to welcome you to this
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discussion, where I think our focus is really going to be
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about the the practitioner that takes on way too much
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energetically from their their patients and clients, and ends
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up sick themselves. You have quite a lot to say on the
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subject, so I'm just going to leave it right up to you. And
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please do include a few techniques that they can all use
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to recenter and relax. So it's yours. Yeah.
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Alx Utterman: Oh, thank you, Manon. It's lovely to be here,
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and really nice to meet you. I like your whole everything, the
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presentation, and the feeling that you're bringing, and the
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help that you're bringing to so many people. You know. Thank
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you. Yeah. So, where to start? You know, I should say I came
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from my parents were medical people. My father was a surgeon.
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My mother was a nurse, and obviously, the people that they
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knew socially were mostly physicians and/or nurses. And I
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also have brothers and sisters who were in the medical field as
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well, and and a lot of friends too. And I've seen over the
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decades a lot of really painful evolution of mental health
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issues, physical health issues, and so on that came to these
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people. And I didn't understand it as a child, especially. My
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parents were a bit older when I was little, and they were both
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very, very ill by the time I was like five years old. My mother
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had a terminal illness that took her out by the time I was nine,
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and I really didn't. Yeah, I know. Welcome to this planet,
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and I didn't understand, you know, what I was seeing as a
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little kid. But later, going to India and training as a
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supernatural, a miracle healer, and I hope that doesn't put off
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science people because I feel like I'm a bridge point between
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these two worlds in a way. I began to understand the inner
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mechanics of healing, and healing means any time any of us
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is effecting a shift in another human being for the better. So
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that could be a good friend calls you up and had a terrible
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day, and they tell you all about it. By the end of that
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conversation, they feel so much better, right? They they vented,
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they offloaded whatever it was was really painful, and as a
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good friend with an open heart, we're listening. It means
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there's an energy exchange there. At the end of an hour
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conversation, they feel so much lighter. And how do we
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Manon Bolliger: feel?
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Alx Utterman: Depending on your neurophysiology, you could feel
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exhausted, drained, irritated, groping around for like, whoa! I
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need a stiff drink or a toke or, you know, I'm gonna go pick a
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fight with somebody or you know I need to go lay down for a
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while. That was really exhausting. What happened there
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was an energy exchange, and what happened there was somebody
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offloaded something painful. Yeah, where did it go? We know
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matter doesn't just dissipate and cease to exist; it changes
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form. Yeah, right. Energy moves through all of us. It usually
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will go through the person who facilitated that shift. Okay, so
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that's like a friend situation. Imagine a psychotherapist or a
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physician, or even like a phlebotomist, somebody who draws
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blood, right? They're generally dealing with people who are
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anxious, who are maybe on the throes of a health crisis, maybe
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in a full-blown health crisis, who's telling what they're
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experiencing, right? And the medical professional or the
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person who is the the therapist, as it were, is playing that role
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of a real healer by listening in an open-hearted way and trying
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to help this person. That means that without our notice, and
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this is the really key point, without our notice, we're
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absorbing automatically a lot of the stress and pain of the
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people that we take care of, and when you're in a formal role
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like that, as a physician, a dentist, a nurse, or even like
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body workers, massage therapists, and the like, who
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are hands-on absorbing the pain and stress from people. Oh my
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goodness! Or if you look at like an acupuncturist or a natural
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medicine person or somebody in my camp, which is an energy
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healer, it's the same phenomenon. It really doesn't
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matter what the mode is of healing. It's the point is
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there's a healing exchange where somebody offloads something, and
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somebody else absorbs it. What does that mean practically? It
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means day in, day out, day in, day out. When we, as healers or
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healing facilitators of one form or another, are subjecting
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ourselves to that, putting ourselves in that role, which we
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should do. We should absorb the pain and stress of other people.
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That's part of why we came here, isn't it? We need to know how to
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manage it. Otherwise, we metabolize it, and layer by
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layer by layer by layer by layer, it grows into. I've seen
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a lot of healers get very very sick. In the case of my parents,
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yeah, for sure, medical people, right? My dad was a surgeon for
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40 years, and it was brutal what happened to him, or we develop
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mental health issues: depression, anxiety, insomnia,
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eating disorders, suicidal ideation in extreme cases. I
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mean, you can go on and on. But the point being, or some lovely
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marriage of the two, physical problems plus mental health
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issues, and a lot of this is we take it for granted. Hey, that's
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how it is. You know, I'm in a stressful occupation. Of course,
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I experience stress, so I'm going to have a headache at the
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end of the day. No, that's actually not normal. Your system
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is telling you it's like an alarm bell going off. You need
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to offload this energy. You need to dissolve it. You need to
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decharge it. You're carrying other people's stuff without
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your conscious awareness, right? I have a friend. He's a
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colleague of mine who's a internal medicine physician, and
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he, you know, he said, "Hey, man, it was a doctor's life. He
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had a very successful clinic in a very tiny town in Northern
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California, and and he's a very open hearted guy, meaning he's a
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really great physician and a good healer. And he said, every
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day I would come home, and I felt like I had been hit by a
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truck. He would describe. He would smoke a lot of marijuana.
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He would sit in front of the television, kind of trying to
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decompress somehow. Kind of numb, not available emotionally
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to wife and kids, he lost his marriage. Not a shock. And he
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said, "You know, I thought this was a doctor's life. Medical
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school was like that. It was very rigorous. It was high
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stress. This just seemed normal, right?
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Then he met my teacher in India, and he learned the same
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techniques that I'm wanting to talk about these energetics of
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self-care tools, and he started to decharge, meaning dissolving
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that negativity very quickly every day. And he was like, in a
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half an hour, I'm myself again, and this is, I'm present, I'm
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clear, I'm capable. He didn't realize how much of that numb
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overload that he was feeling, without having a word for it,
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really, was all the stuff that he had absorbed from his
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patients throughout the day, and building up over years and years
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and years. You can imagine, right? So yeah, I've kind of
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become the cheerleader for these tools, a huge advocate.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah. Well, I'm very curious what the tool is. I
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mean, because I mean, the first thing that strikes me is, it's
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like you you have to have a relationship to yourself, right?
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Because it's an exchange, but really, like what you're taking
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in is up to you. You don't have to take this in.
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Alx Utterman: It's not right. It's actually kind of. Cosmic
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law? No, it isn't. We'd like to have that idea. Oh, I shield
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myself so I don't take anything. Uh huh. Really? Okay, but
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explain five years later.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, but expand what you mean because we could
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be talking about words that may have different connotations. But
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what do you mean? Like, it's not a shield in my in my universe
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either, but what is it that you that you're excited about that
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you do that is that and it's not called a protection, right? Then
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no, okay, okay, yeah.
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Alx Utterman: So let's think about. Let me back up a little
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bit. Sure, sure,
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Manon Bolliger: sure, sure.
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Alx Utterman: So, human beings are like semi-permeable
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membranes. That's to say, we're exchanging energy all the time
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Manon Bolliger: with
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Alx Utterman: other people, as as we should, and it's part of
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the the glory. I would say of being alive in a human body is
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that we can do that. For example, if I live in Los
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Angeles, land of crazy freeway driving, if I cut someone off on
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the freeway, not that this ever happens, I want you to know
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this. But should it occur that occasionally I might cut someone
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off on the freeway, and they shoot me a really dirty look,
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right? Like, hey, you shouldn't have done that. I can feel it in
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the back of my head. I don't even have to turn around and see
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the look.
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Manon Bolliger: Right,
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Alx Utterman: right. That's an energy exchange. They threw some
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energy there. Right through the eyes, it came, and my system
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might reverberate from that for a little bit. If I'm really
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sensitive, yeah, I might be a little grouchy for an hour, or I
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might kind of be terse with other people or whatever.
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There's a reverberation insight because they came into my
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system,
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Manon Bolliger: yeah,
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Alx Utterman: as an energy packet. It's not like I can say,
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oh no, no, I I'm going to deflect that or something, or I
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don't accept that that occurs because it does. So here's the
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deal: we exist in these forms, and what they will say in India,
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which I'm steeped in for almost 30 years now, in in Vedic
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understanding, Veda just meaning knowledge. It doesn't mean a
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religion. It's not a whatever. It's just like the the mechanics
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of how the creation operates. They will say everything in the
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creation is composed of these five elements of nature: the
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earth, the fire, the sky or ether, the water, and the air,
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and that every form is a configuration of the elements.
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What happens, practically speaking, when we engage with
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someone is, it's like our five elements form is helping their
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five elements form, release some imbalance in those elements.
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Okay, that is going to go somewhere. It doesn't just
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dissipate on the spot, and unfortunately, majority it will
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come to the person who facilitated that shift. Now, I
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will say this: if someone says internally, "Hey, I'm just a
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tool in the creation, you know, I'm an instrument of whatever
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your language for the sacred is of God, of Jesus, of Buddha, of
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nature. I'm just an instrument for the cosmic intelligence. I
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learned some techniques. I'm helping this person. Then 98% of
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what they offload will automatically go back to the
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source. That is true. Contrast that with Western medical, which
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I saw, for example, with my dad, who was a surgeon. I went to
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medical school. I learned the techniques. I'm the healer. I
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did the work. I saved that person's life. 100% of those
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karmas, 100% of their exchange, comes to that person. So if
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we're really smart, we do have that layer of detachment from
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the I did this. I'm so grateful. So there is right. That is. So
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there is the
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Manon Bolliger: philosophical difference, right? Because I
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mean, that is
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Alx Utterman: there's an energetic difference, a
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practical difference,
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Manon Bolliger: of course. But it's it's also based on
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fundamentally how you see the world. Yes. If yeah, so okay, go
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on. I just want to cafe. It does matter
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Alx Utterman: a lot. So the other thing is like when you
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have an open heart, nobody goes into a service occupation
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without having an open heart. They want to help, whether it's
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a school teacher or a psychotherapist or a medical
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professional or what have you, right? We're all in that boat.
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We want to help. That means the heart is already fairly open in
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terms of doing service. The more open the heart is of a
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practitioner, the more it's like a giant sponge for all the crap.
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So we know very well a sponge is pretty useless once it's
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saturated.
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Manon Bolliger: Yes,
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Alx Utterman: it won't absorb anymore. Got to wring it out.
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The tools that I share are wringing it out effectively. I
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think that's the easiest way to say it. So, for example, I had
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friends and family on the front lines during the COVID pandemic,
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healthcare folks who one lady had. Come out of nursing school,
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and that was her first assignment. Was COVID wards, and
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seeing so many people die traumatically, and seeing the
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physicians freak out because they were just crying because
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they didn't know in the beginning how to treat this at
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all, and people were just dying left, right, and center. It was
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it was heavy, and I thought, oh my gosh, I better share these
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tools because it could prevent people in the healthcare
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professions from really going down. And we saw many like
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people after COVID, they left nursing, they left medicine.
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They were like, I'm done. I couldn't. The PTSD is too much,
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right? So my friends and family members who use the
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tools-they're like they're fine. They're still in the medical
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field. They're okay. The ones who didn't are everything you
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would imagine-big hot messes with mental health issues,
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addiction issues, physical health issues, depression, PTSD,
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and the rest of it. So yes, there's this mystery of what we
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take on, even though we don't want to. Yeah, that's
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immaterial. It's it's a it's a function of the human system and
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the human heart that we will do that, in varying degrees. Yes,
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but it's it's kind of like a law of nature, and you know, like
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like my friend the doctor. He was like, "Well, I just thought
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that was a doctor's life. That was normal. Of course, you're
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going to be stressed out and feel miserable all the time.
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That's fine,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Alx Utterman: No, it's not.
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Manon Bolliger: But but let's let's go back to the open heart.
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Again, I'm getting clarity here. Like, there's a difference
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between empathy and sympathy on an emotional intake level,
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right?
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Alx Utterman: Yes,
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Manon Bolliger: doesn't mean that you can't be loving, but
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and it doesn't mean that you've put up walls like you know those
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people who'll never fall in love again. Right, we know what
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happens, you know. So it's not a story, but it is again a
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different perspective. It's a point of view in which your your
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witness to the human journey of which you can be filled with
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love, but it doesn't mean that you're there for the sponge.
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Like I'm just questioning that whole thing. You know,
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Alx Utterman: honestly, it really does. Whether we feel
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okay, but just prove it.
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Manon Bolliger: Let's go. Whether
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Alx Utterman: I'm saying, hey, you know, I'm really empathizing
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with you right now, but I'm not like in it 1% with you.
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Yeah, yeah, we're still receiving through those
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elements. If somebody is overloading, then we are
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receiving it.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah. Okay, and I'm not going to say no to that
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because, of course, right. Like, there's got to be something
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going on, right? But but I do find, let's say, in my 30 years,
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that the beginning-I mean, every story-I would bawl my eyes out.
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Like it was so sad and so horrific and so unbelievable.
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You know, like whatever. You know, I'm thinking some of the
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stories, like they took her uterus out because she was
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complaining from period pains, and she was coming in to see me
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for fertility. And it's like, oh, how sad! Can you, you know,
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like this is crazy stuff, right? Major malpractice, and I'm like,
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you know, and then you know, and then you harden isn't the right
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word, because it's not like I then would listen to that, but
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but then it becomes like, well, yeah, that's another person with
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the wrong leg amputated, or whatever the story. I'm picking
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highlights, you know, but but something changes in not your
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love for the person and your ability to help, but in how much
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that exchange will negatively impact you. You know that's how
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skills to me. But but maybe
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Alx Utterman: you're
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Manon Bolliger: teaching. Maybe what you're teaching, I'm doing
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unconsciously. Like I don't know what it is, right? But what is
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that you? Whenever you teach that, go ahead.
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Alx Utterman: So yeah, I do want to address that a little bit. I
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think in the beginning, as healers, everybody's a big, wide
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open. Oh yeah,
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Manon Bolliger: I do. I mean, even when I was studying, I was
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getting every disease that you could get right, just to be
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sure. Of course, it was
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Alx Utterman: right. Yeah.
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Manon Bolliger: So I get it. I totally get it. Yeah, and and
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there is a kind of detachment that comes with experience, but
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it doesn't mean that we're not receiving the pain of the
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people. On the I would say on the sock. Manon Bolliger here,
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Alx Utterman: Subtle level on the energetic level, and it also
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happens after a certain point when you go through enough times
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that you've really absorbed and absorbed and absorbed, that the
00:20:49
sensitivity level is diminished because there's not that much
00:20:53
room in the sponge anymore. My sister, who's a nurse, she was
00:20:57
an ICU nurse. She would say, "Yeah, you know, she said when I
00:21:01
started nursing, she said I noticed there were two kinds of
00:21:03
nurses: the big, open-hearted, empathetic, loving ones who want
00:21:06
to do everything for everybody, and then the older, like bitchy,
00:21:09
cynical ones. And she was like, there really isn't any between.
00:21:13
And I thought later, you know, when I learned about all this, I
00:21:15
was like, oh my god, of course, because they've just their cup
00:21:17
is too full, man. They can't take in anymore, and so they're
00:21:21
just hard and kind of cynical and like, yeah, you're suffering
00:21:23
too bad. Well, okay, I'll help, right? So, and here's the crazy
00:21:29
thing: we should be not pathetically, emotively
00:21:34
open-hearted. That's ridiculous. That really doesn't help
00:21:37
anybody. But we should be open-hearted, and we should also
00:21:41
be very clear as vehicles for healing, regardless again of
00:21:46
particular modality or profession, so that we're
00:21:49
functioning at our best. So we're really able to be present
00:21:52
with the person and not carrying all these crazy overlays. I'll
00:21:57
tell another story, and then I'll explain one of the
00:21:59
techniques that I teach. Okay. So I had a beautiful lady came
00:22:03
to me, really sharp, clear woman. She had been a marine in
00:22:08
her youth, just like tiny little compact. She was about 40
00:22:12
something, and her whole life was idyllic. She had a great
00:22:16
husband, a beautiful home, enough money, wonderful kids,
00:22:22
the whole gamut. Everything was like lovely, and I was like,
00:22:26
"Then why is she here? Why is she coming to me for healing?
00:22:30
Well, it turned out that her husband-they were like high
00:22:33
school sweethearts, so now they're in their 40s, right? And
00:22:38
over the last, you know, five years or so, he had really
00:22:41
turned into this nitpicking, perfectionist, egoic kind of
00:22:46
nightmare. She said, "You know, I'm trying to like regroup the
00:22:49
tile in our kitchen, and he's like, "Oh, you missed a spot
00:22:51
there. Oh, this. Oh, that. And he had just become like this
00:22:54
really anally retentive, nasty, critical person. And she said,
00:22:59
"I something's got to give, or I can't, I can't continue doing
00:23:03
this, and so I'm looking from every conceivable angle that I
00:23:06
know as a healer, and I'm like, wow, this is really strange.
00:23:10
Like, what would precipitate such a, you know, thing in
00:23:14
somebody? And finally, after like a half an hour of back and
00:23:17
forth and this and that, came to me, hey, what's his occupation?
00:23:23
So he's a chiropractor, and a really successful chiropractor
00:23:27
with a massive practice for like 2530, years, and I'm like, oh my
00:23:35
god, he's absorbing from all the people over so much time, and
00:23:42
it's turned him. It's not his stuff. He's not probably
00:23:47
naturally that egoic and nasty, but it's turned really toxic in
00:23:51
his system. And where is he putting it out? He's putting it
00:23:53
onto the wife, who's like, "This is not okay. And I thought, "Oh
00:23:59
my God! I had seen another chiropractor when we were
00:24:01
teaching some of these techniques at one point. The
00:24:04
guy-I'm not joking-the guy is laying down in the back of the
00:24:08
room during a workshop because he can't sit up because his back
00:24:11
hurts so much. His back hurts so much, and he's a chiropractor.
00:24:15
Okay, and he's perfectly happy laying on his back taking the
00:24:20
instruction. And then we got to this point about offloading this
00:24:23
dress. He said, "Oh yeah, I I do that between every client. I
00:24:26
wash my hands. I'm great. I'm looking at this man who cannot
00:24:29
sit in a chair, and I'm like, well, actually, no, you're not
00:24:33
great. And this is a natural development from what you've
00:24:38
been doing successfully as this kind of healer for X amount of
00:24:42
years or decades or whatever, and no way to dissolve what it
00:24:48
is that you're carrying so clearly. But by that time, the
00:24:51
egoism is so entrenched and the and the denial is so extreme.
00:24:54
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, good
00:24:56
Alx Utterman: luck trying to trying to break through that
00:24:58
one. Oh, I wash my hands. Efficient, uh huh, really?
00:25:03
That's like you know, Monty Python, the Holy Grail. It's
00:25:05
like no nonsense. Well, yeah, uh huh. Okay, sure. You have no
00:25:11
legs, but sure, good for you, right?
00:25:13
Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
00:25:15
Alx Utterman: So it's like that. So yes, one of the techniques. I
00:25:18
there there's a whole array of tools that are so stupid simple
00:25:22
that people tend to laugh them off or feel like no that could
00:25:27
have possibly worked, and they all link to concretized examples
00:25:34
of the five elements of nature from which we are made, and this
00:25:37
is a much much longer huge discussion about how and why it
00:25:41
works, but I will say one of the simplest, easiest ways to deal
00:25:47
with it is so a couple things. The first thing is somebody
00:25:52
needs to figure out that they're off, right? And as you said at
00:25:55
the beginning, you have to have a relationship with yourself to
00:25:58
know where is my stasis point. Where am I peaceable and happy
00:26:02
and clear? And if anything is deviating from that, then we
00:26:06
have a problem and we need to offload something. And it could
00:26:11
take the form of pain in the physical body. It could be
00:26:13
something as deep as PTSD. It could be anxiety, depression,
00:26:17
eating disorders, can't sleep, terrible dreams, etc. can also
00:26:22
be obsessive thoughts. Like somebody who can't leave the
00:26:24
work at work, yeah, they're still chewing on the case hours
00:26:28
later. They're still thinking about that poor person who had
00:26:30
that thing, and oh my god, oh my god, and what do I do? And I
00:26:32
can't stop thinking about it. That's an energy cycling in the
00:26:35
system. That's not a cycle. No, for
00:26:38
Manon Bolliger: sure, for sure, yeah,
00:26:39
Alx Utterman: right. Okay, so how do we take those packets out
00:26:42
and get rid of them through the concretized examples of the
00:26:45
elements of which were made? So, I think for this conversation,
00:26:50
let's talk about the earth element.
00:26:52
Manon Bolliger: The
00:26:53
Alx Utterman: earth element is the most gross, dense of all the
00:26:56
elements, right? Everything that's in physicalized form,
00:26:59
whether it's my iPhone or my necklace or whatever, has some
00:27:03
component of earth element, right? It's solid.
00:27:05
Unknown: Yeah.
00:27:06
Alx Utterman: In our system, it's the bones mostly. Those
00:27:10
things that even when you die and they cremate your body, for
00:27:13
example, still the bones are there, right? It still remains.
00:27:15
It's earth element. It's gross, dense matter. In the Earth
00:27:21
element, what we know about the Earth generally, the Big Earth,
00:27:24
is that it's characterized by gravity, right? Magnetism. Boom!
00:27:28
If I drop something on the floor, it's always going to fall
00:27:30
to the floor because it pulls toward itself. It's like a giant
00:27:34
magnet. In our system, that's where we tend to hold the most.
00:27:41
We magnetize stuff to ourselves on a subtle level in the subtle
00:27:45
earth element system, or it could be both positive and
00:27:51
negative qualities. It could be you know angers, resentments,
00:27:56
pain, suffering, imagined or real, whatever it is. We tend to
00:28:01
hold it in this earth element structure. When we receive a
00:28:04
smack from somebody, like the bad look on the freeway, or
00:28:07
somebody yells at us, that's an energy packet that comes in our
00:28:13
system, and now it's staying in our system. It's like lodged in
00:28:16
there until we find a good means to dissolve it and decharge it.
00:28:22
It's really interesting if you've ever had an argument with
00:28:24
someone, like a really heated argument, and afterwards you're
00:28:26
shaking. Why are you shaking? We could say, "Oh, it's adrenaline.
00:28:31
Oh, the heart rate is up. Blah blah blah. That doesn't quite
00:28:34
answer the whole picture. The picture is we're holding now
00:28:37
some really scary, awful, disrupting, jarring, jangled
00:28:42
energy in our
00:28:43
Manon Bolliger: system,
00:28:44
Alx Utterman: and sure, it will calm down, but it doesn't mean
00:28:46
that we got rid of
00:28:48
Manon Bolliger: it. Yeah, I mean, it could be too like that
00:28:51
whole thing about you know over like the sympathetic system
00:28:56
being overstressed and like animals, they they shake right
00:29:00
as a natural way to get out of it, you know. To
00:29:06
Alx Utterman: right, process reverberating, just
00:29:08
reverberating. It's kind of a shock to the system. Our system
00:29:12
is actually, you know, like our inner works. The soul of a
00:29:15
person is a very delicate, beautiful, peaceful place. It
00:29:18
doesn't like all these big, angry, intense. Yeah, no, does
00:29:24
not, and it really does let us know. Hey, this is an overload
00:29:27
right now. This is overwhelming. We need to deal with this
00:29:31
effectively, or else, you know. So, in the Earth Element
00:29:35
discussion, there's this crazy. This I'm so sorry to reasonable
00:29:40
science people. This is going to sound like madness, but just
00:29:42
please go with me for a second. And in the spirit of science, I
00:29:47
would suggest you try it for yourself, and then you see if it
00:29:50
works or it doesn't work.
00:29:52
Manon Bolliger: About science, rather
00:29:53
Alx Utterman: than just rather than yeah, you should be rather
00:29:56
than just you know poo pooing the whole thing on its face. I
00:30:00
and should I? I really should say. You know, I came to all of
00:30:03
this stuff so skeptically. I was not a believer in any of those.
00:30:07
It was through direct experience. I
00:30:09
Manon Bolliger: think that's the best way, right?
00:30:11
Alx Utterman: I think it's helpful. Yeah, rather than being
00:30:14
some like wild-eyed credulous. Okay, I'll just believe anything
00:30:17
anybody tells me. No, I was not like that. No. So I can say this
00:30:23
is you know hard won experience, and also having taught this for
00:30:26
decades and seen the results in people, it's it is actually kind
00:30:30
of gobsmacking. So just just try it, please just try it. Okay, so
00:30:35
the first thing is you have to identify something is wrong.
00:30:37
Let's say I came home from work, it was stressful, I have a
00:30:40
headache, my neck is stiff, my head hurts. The normal thing is
00:30:45
reach for some pill and get rid of it, right? But that doesn't
00:30:48
address the underlying alarm bell that's going off. That your
00:30:51
system is saying, hey, hey, hey, hey, we absorb some energy
00:30:54
today. We need to address this. We need to get rid of it. Earth
00:30:59
element, our best friend, is a black rock. Any black rock, any
00:31:02
size doesn't matter, really. Any shape of black rock, any
00:31:06
material of black rock, doesn't matter. Black rocks have a
00:31:09
unique property, and this again. I'm sorry. This is going to
00:31:14
sound like absolute madness, and I am aware of it. And please
00:31:17
forgive me, but it works. A black rock, unlike any other
00:31:23
color of a stone, has this unique resonance with the giant
00:31:27
magnet that is the Earth itself. Which is, if you ever did that
00:31:30
thing in high school where you took iron filings and you put
00:31:32
them to a magnet and then they became magnets?
00:31:35
Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
00:31:36
Alx Utterman: Yeah. Well, same thing. A small black rock
00:31:39
Manon Bolliger: is
00:31:40
Alx Utterman: like a microcosm of the whole planet Earth in
00:31:42
that respect, and you hold the black rock. It becomes like a
00:31:47
magnet to simply pull out and throw to the big Earth whatever
00:31:51
it is that we're offloading to a little agent of the big Earth,
00:31:56
which also correlates to the big Earth inside us. Okay, so number
00:32:02
one, I go. For example, I've scanned myself. I'm really off.
00:32:05
I have a headache, or I have an obsessive thought pattern that I
00:32:08
can't drop about somebody I treated, or I can't really eat
00:32:14
after I saw that person. I don't feel right inside. I feel kind
00:32:16
of nauseated. Something. Okay, whatever it is, I'm scanning
00:32:20
myself. Something's off. We need to do this thing. This
00:32:24
decharging it. That that negative charge that's in us
00:32:27
needs to come out. So you take the little black ruck. You hold
00:32:32
the little earth element piece, and you say the following: big
00:32:36
thank you, like a little prayer of gratitude to however you
00:32:41
think of the sacred, universe, God, Jesus, Buddha, Mother, who
00:32:45
cares? Doesn't matter. Nature. Maybe you are an atheist, so
00:32:51
maybe you have a sense of your higher self. It doesn't matter.
00:32:55
Whatever it is, thank you is the critical deal here. Why
00:33:00
gratitude opens the heart and lets energy move. Okay, thank
00:33:04
you. I have an agent of the earth element here. Thank you so
00:33:08
much for this, part two. Right now, I'm decharging. I'm
00:33:14
offloading whatever it is I picked up. That is not me today.
00:33:18
And maybe it was a specific incident that happened, like
00:33:20
someone yelled at you, and you're still feeling that. So
00:33:23
you might think on that thing, but it might be a collective of
00:33:26
whatever happened throughout the day, etc. Right now, and here's
00:33:30
the crazy thing: so you just hold the third, you just hold
00:33:32
the rock. I know it sounds nuts, but there it is. You just hold
00:33:36
it. It will automatically go to the big planet Earth. There's no
00:33:39
need, like with crystal people, they have a whole thing. You
00:33:41
have to wash them. You have to do that. No, uh. It is a
00:33:46
stand-in. It is a microcosm of the big magnetism of the big
00:33:49
Earth. Watch what happens. My advice is hold it for 10 to 15
00:33:54
minutes, until the symptoms subside, until you feel yourself
00:33:57
coming down or calming down. Huh, huh. Some people are very
00:34:03
sensitive. They feel the rock gets hot in their hand, or maybe
00:34:05
they feel energy flowing into it, or maybe they just feel a
00:34:07
little bit better, or like that painful headache subsides. I've
00:34:11
seen that happen many times. You know it's finished when you feel
00:34:15
even again inside, and for some people that might be a
00:34:18
revelation because they don't ever feel That way, yeah,
00:34:23
because we take the stress levels for granted, and and
00:34:28
that's the whole deal. You can do other things while you're
00:34:31
holding the rock. You can watch videos on YouTube. You can drive
00:34:34
with one hand. You don't have to be like, okay, I'm getting rid
00:34:37
of it. I'm getting rid. No, no, no, no. Getting rid of stress
00:34:42
and strain should not be more stress-inducing, right? But the
00:34:46
point is, your own inner consciousness knows already.
00:34:49
Hey, we're doing this thing.
00:34:51
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:34:52
Alx Utterman: And you might revisit it over the span of
00:34:55
1015, minutes. Like, okay, we're still doing the thing. We're
00:34:57
still offloading. Okay, right? How are we doing? Done.
00:35:01
Manon Bolliger: Simple. Yeah.
00:35:03
Alx Utterman: And it's unbelievably dramatic. That's
00:35:05
why I say sometimes people treat these techniques as as like, oh,
00:35:09
it's so nothing. Yeah. Until we try it.
00:35:13
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, but it's often and it's kind of the
00:35:15
simple things that work, right? It's like, you know, we have
00:35:19
this total bias that it has to be complicated to work, and it's
00:35:25
it's far from the truth, you know. Yeah, yeah. But it's if I
00:35:32
sort of summarize it, it's like you're consciously, willing
00:35:38
fully taking an action that you have learned that dissipates or
00:35:48
allows the flow to go elsewhere out of you, basically. Yeah,
00:35:53
yeah, into
00:35:55
Alx Utterman: the earth,
00:35:56
Manon Bolliger: right, and into the earth, yeah, kind of
00:35:57
Alx Utterman: back to where it sort of came from. Yeah,
00:36:00
Manon Bolliger: yeah, yeah. Well, it's interesting because I
00:36:02
often say something like, you know, thank you because I
00:36:08
notice, you know, and and it's like, and I send it back to the
00:36:15
universe. It's like I feel like, at least for me, it seems to
00:36:20
work, and it. But it is-it's a consciousness. It's a ritual,
00:36:25
you know. And because I know what you mean when you get hit,
00:36:29
and you go like, "Whoa, you know. I get that. It's not you.
00:36:34
You don't make that stuff up. It. It's there, but I think the
00:36:39
thereness too is the consciousness of now? What are
00:36:43
you going to do with it? Pretend like you know. I mean, most
00:36:46
people don't understand that symptoms are signs. We're we're
00:36:50
in this crazy paradigm that you know is a is backwards, right?
00:36:55
You know, I mean, if we were to pay attention to that, we would
00:36:58
then have the first clue that we're not doing something right,
00:37:01
you know, with the energy coming at us, you know. But once you
00:37:06
go, okay, I don't have those symptoms, and I'm not tired, I'm
00:37:11
not needing to do anything else. Then you know, it's like, what
00:37:16
are you doing that might be helping you process it, you
00:37:20
know? But um, where where can people? Because we're totally
00:37:23
past our time. But where can people find out more about this
00:37:28
work to find out the methods that you've been teaching?
00:37:32
Alx Utterman: They can go to energeticsofselfcare.com.
00:37:36
Manon Bolliger: Okay,
00:37:36
Alx Utterman: and that's a site that I set up during the
00:37:39
pandemic out of real concern for frontline healthcare workers who
00:37:43
I saw dropping like flies, and yeah, so they can find a lot of
00:37:48
things there, including the larger explanation of why this
00:37:51
works. I made some videos back in the day that were
00:37:54
introductory, that are available on the site that'll sort of
00:37:57
explain. And I made very short training videos that are for a
00:38:01
fairly nominal fee, so that people could get them,
00:38:05
especially highly stressed people, but not feel stressed to
00:38:08
learn something new.
00:38:09
Manon Bolliger: Right, right, yeah, yeah, fine art.
00:38:13
Alx Utterman: And it's interesting, you know, when I
00:38:14
put that site up, I was working at that time with a branding
00:38:18
professional lady, and she was saying to me, you know, Alex, I
00:38:21
think it's a little hyperbolic what you're saying about how
00:38:23
efficient these tools are, and I was like, you want to try
00:38:28
Manon Bolliger: it? Just
00:38:28
Alx Utterman: try it. She came back to me a couple days later
00:38:31
after using a generic black rock, and she said, "Oh my God,
00:38:35
you are not kidding. She said, "I felt that. I'm like, "Mm-hmm.
00:38:39
She said, "You should be shouting this from the rooftops.
00:38:41
How is this so simple and it works so efficiently? I'm like,
00:38:45
because it's our nature. It's our structure of nature in this
00:38:49
larger nature.
00:38:50
Manon Bolliger: Well,
00:38:50
Alx Utterman: yeah. So I would offer to you, like saying, "Hey,
00:38:52
I'm giving it back to the universe and all that. That's
00:38:54
lovely. Try adding the component of a of a physicalized element,
00:38:59
just as a as an experiment,
00:39:01
Manon Bolliger: yeah, yeah, you just like
00:39:04
Alx Utterman: a little physicalized thing as a doorway
00:39:06
to the larger. It's it's I think more. It's less defuse. It's
00:39:12
very direct.
00:39:13
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, I mean it it and I can see that because if
00:39:17
I can ground, like go outside, you know, barefoot, it it's
00:39:22
clear, you know. But if you're in your office and you can't do
00:39:25
that, then it's like, okay, maybe the Black Rock is the
00:39:29
solution, right? You know, yes, it's all fairly, and and it's
00:39:33
handy. And anyway, our time is so up, but I'd love to hear what
00:39:38
Ether does. But anyway, I'll have to look at them. All right.
00:39:45
Well, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, and I'm
00:39:50
sure people are gonna try to find out what I certainly am.
00:39:54
Oh,
00:39:54
Alx Utterman: I hope so. Yes.
00:39:56
Manon Bolliger: All right. Yeah. All right. Thanks a lot. Great.
00:39:58
Alx Utterman: Thank you so much, Manon. And I'll see you.
00:40:01
Manon Bolliger: Okay. Manon.
00:40:03
Alx Utterman: Bye for now.
00:40:06
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00:40:09
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