In this episode of The Healers Café, Dr. Keith Motes connected the practice to his physics background, spiritual work through yoga, and a profound experience involving plant medicine that included spontaneous shaking, sounds, pendulation, and perceived trauma release.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/dr-keith-motes
Highlights from today's episode include:
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Keith: Spontaneous shaking can be approached through relaxation and grounding, allowing the body to move naturally.
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Keith: He hopes to teach children to recognize and safely express this instinctive response.
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Manon: She connected Keith's ideas to her own experience of wave-like movement and her Bowen therapy practice.
I am Dr Keith R. Motes, a quantum physicist Ph;, Yoga and Qi Gong teacher; Yoga Alliance & Zenthai Shiatsu therapist, and founder of the Shaking Medicine Foundation, a not-for-profit. I am not a psychologist and not a medical doctor.
I had a spontaneous therapeutic tremoring, a deep awakening that was like a rebirthing. That encounter seeded what became Shaking Medicine — an embodied practice of somatic neurogenic tremoring and pandiculation, and a Neurogenic style of Qi Gong.
I have taught workshops to several hundred people, and I hold 1:1 sessions, online courses, and teacher training through the Foundation. Dual Australian–US citizen; often in Ubud, Bali; Australian home at Heartland, Wilsons Creek, Mullumbimby, NSW.
Core purpose/passion: To share Shaking Medicine as an embodied practice so people can meet their own somatic neurogenic tremoring and pandiculation. I am passionate about Neurogenic Qi Gong — a spontaneous Qi Gong through the neurogenics of Shaking Medicine — and about holding a simple, honest space for the body's own movement through the Foundation.
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Manon Bolliger: So welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I
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have with me Keith Motes. He's a quantum physicist and yoga and
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qigong teacher, Yoga Alliance member, Zantai Shiatsu
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therapist, and founder of the Shaking Medicine Foundation, a
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not-for-profit. He's also he's not a psychologist and not a
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medical doctor, and I have a feeling you're saying that for a
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clear reason. Anyway, you had a spontaneous therapeutic
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tremoring, a deep awakening that was like rebirthing, and that
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was sort of the seeds of the work that you do and that you
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present to the world. So I want to welcome you, and we'll find
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out more about it. So welcome.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Thank you so much.
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Manon Bolliger: So yeah,
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Dr. Keith Motes: pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me,
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and so excited to to share all about it. Yeah. Why don't we
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start
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Manon Bolliger: with that that experience? Because that's
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probably a story in and of itself.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Sure, yeah, I'd love to. It it goes back to
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yeah, I was doing my academia journey, did my undergraduate in
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physics, and then
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Manon Bolliger: actually hang on. Did
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Dr. Keith Motes: my PhD in Sydney did my PhD, and towards
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the end of my undergraduate career, I got into. Keith,
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Manon Bolliger: sorry to interrupt you. There's shaking
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in the sound. Can you see if you can fix that? Because it's um
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it's hard to hear you. Yeah, probably the one.
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Let's
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Dr. Keith Motes: see. Wonder. Hmm. Ah. 2222. Or is he?
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Manon Bolliger: No.
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Dr. Keith Motes: The the Wi-Fi.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, I think it's the Wi-Fi.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Um. Let me try. Okay, I jumped on my other
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Wi-Fi. I wonder if that's
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Manon Bolliger: that's way better, yeah. There's nothing
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going on. Okay. Okay. So just we'll we'll just cut. I'll keep
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what I said, and then just start with your journey started.
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Whatever.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Sure.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
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Dr. Keith Motes: So my journey into all of this started in my
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physics career, I was doing my undergraduate in the states, and
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then I moved to Australia to do my PhD. And all the while, like
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towards the end of my undergraduate, I got into my
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spiritual journey through yoga, and then I was doing that all
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through my PhD, getting all this beautiful growth spiritually
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from that. But then eventually it plateaued. Like I was still
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doing the yoga, but I wasn't really didn't really feel like I
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was growing so much from it. And this is where one faithful day,
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where this experience came in, that gave me so many
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realizations. So it was, it was enhanced by some beautiful plant
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medicine allies. I was deep on my deepest. Strongest journey I
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had ever done up to that point, and it just took me to this
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place of no return, so to speak. Like I was complete witness to
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it all, but I had no control. My animal body took over the
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intelligences of my instinct and intuition, the these animalistic
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mechanisms that have evolved within us, just woke up in me
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and did their thing. It was like it was shaking me. It was I was
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spontaneously making all these sounds. I was what I what I now
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know is called pendiculation. It was like pulling me and
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stretching me and squeezing me all over the place. I I didn't
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really have any reference or words for anything that was
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going on at that time because I never learned about this from
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anywhere. It just it just started happening to me, and I
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felt these energies inside of me just leave me these old old
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childhood traumas that I was not even aware that I had because I
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yeah just they're just frozen and numb and deep inside of me,
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and this this integrated them and moved them, and it was like
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whoa! It was super super profound. My only reference at
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the time were like exorcism movies I saw on the internet, or
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saw on you know movies or whatever, And which make it out
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to be scary, but I intuitively felt like this is not that. It
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looks like that, but it's it was like ah such a beautiful
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Manon Bolliger: release,
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Dr. Keith Motes: release and rebirthing and yeah, it
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transformed me in such a big way, and my spiritual journey
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started doing that again, improving. And I realized it was
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trauma; it was releasing that was holding me back. Something
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that yoga was just not getting into for me, and so that
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birthed, that was a seed of what has now become shaking medicine,
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which which is done without any psychoactive medicines,
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typically, but that that did seed it in me, and because it
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was, it came from within, like it seeded this very unique
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style. You know, it's not a copy from some other style before,
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but other styles have since influenced me. You know, in my
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studies and learning about anything that's complementary to
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this, I like to bring in the wisdom and gold from whatever is
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very complementary to this. This what I find to be just some of
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the most beautiful, profound, natural, instinctive medicine
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that most people still don't know about yet. It's so powerful
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for the simple reason that it evolved within us over
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millennia, probably even billions of years, to do what
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it's supposed to do, which is bring us into balance and
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homeostasis, move the stress and anxiety and trauma from our
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day-to-day life that otherwise gets stored in our body. Right.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah. So, how do you explain? I mean, when I hear
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shaking, I think of a few things. You know how animals-if
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you almost hit a deer-they will go to the side eventually, and
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they'll start shaking, and then they seem to to be fine again.
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You know, I I think I told you just before we started. I had a
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an experience in in Italy doing a shaking work. I mean, there
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was all kinds of workshops, but shaking was quite a release. And
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watching all these people, there was quite profound shifts in
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people. And then the third thing that I didn't tell you yet: when
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I had cancer, I was laying on the bed, and you know, I was
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there. Was other things I chose to do. Homeopathy. I did. You
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know, I wasn't gonna do all the stuff they said. You know,
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hysterectomy, this, that, and whatever. Chemo. I'm not doing
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all that. But I, I was overcome by. A desire to like, well, it
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was more undulate than shake, but there was like, like
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wave-like actions going through me with a humming sound,
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sometimes pleasant, sometimes quite scary and loud, and and I
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was like, oh, I just, I just do me, whatever. I'll let this go.
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And I was in that state for on and off for about two days, and
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I think that had a huge impact on the pause. I mean, I'm still
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here, right? So, so obviously I survived. But can you tell us a
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little bit what what it is, and whether the quantum physics
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explains any of this, or or wherever you to to help us know
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what it is, and if you want to demonstrate or tell us more,
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feel free.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, I'd love to do all that. So there's two
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kind of main types of shaking in a broad sense: voluntary shaking
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and and this kind of neurogenic or spontaneous shaking. Both are
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great for us. Voluntary is more surface level. Spontaneous
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shaking is much deeper. It's it's voluntary shaking is the
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kind of shaking most teachers will do in a practice as like a
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five minute warm up or you know just to move a little energy.
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It's like it's it's still done in a relaxed way mostly, but
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it's a little more like you're making it happen. Whereas the
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the spontaneous shaking is this deeper intelligence, this
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mechanism that moves us for us, and it's accessed best by no
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force, by letting go of control, and by relaxing deeply. And you
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know we have different games we play. I like to think of it as a
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game to come into the trimmering, because the game is
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not the thing itself. It's it's getting to the tremor that's the
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thing, at least in in shaking medicine. And different of these
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games will resonate with different people to to in
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different moments in their life, and when we get this deeper kind
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of shaking, it it's like a feedback loop. It starts to
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relax us even more, and then when we relax more, we can
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access the shaking even more deeply. And then it and then
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again, the cycle continues, and it moves us how we need to be
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moved. So there's, it's related to other spontaneous movement
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for sure. It's not just this. This intelligence isn't only
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this shaking. It's also like those undulations. It can often
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it it comes like wave spontaneous waves or undulations
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might want to move through, or spontaneously moving and
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twisting and squeezing. This is what I now know of as
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pendulation, another instinctive mechanism. All these things
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eventually dance through and between each other, and it's
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basically the the body's intelligence. It's not the
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analytical mind. You know that's our controlling thinking mind
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that is often conditioned by you know culture or religion or
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parents or school, whatever everything, and it it's actually
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in a big way often what prevents us from accessing this because
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it looks weird or you know people might think we're
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possessed or so to access it there is to for the nervous
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system to let go and and kind of move. So I'm coming into a
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little bit of a demonstration. I can get it really easy because
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I've been doing it for about a decade now. But basically, we
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would like a process I'd come through with people would be to
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like do a bit of a warm up, get the blood flowing, get out of
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the head, get into the body. I love to do some like qigong with
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with for the grounding aspect. I feel like it's super important
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safety wise to stay to keep grounding, and as energies move,
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it's like we need to keep grounding. So we warm up, we
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ground, we we then play the game to our multiple games if we need
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to to to find the place, like like moving as slowly and. Relax
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as we can through a range of motion, where we start to feel
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the sensations of the shake wanting to come on, like like a
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little, like a little skipping of the range of motion, and then
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we hone in on it, go even slower, more relaxed until it's
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like we're hanging out in the shake, and then we go into the
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next phase. We go from the game to the surrender phase, which is
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just simply hanging out with the shake and and surrendering and
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relaxing even more to access it deeper. And so that all just
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soothes the nervous system, brings us into deep
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parasympathetic states of relaxation, where our healing
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functions operate maximally effectively. So likely you were
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undulated, and it was deeply relaxing you. And then all of
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your well, that plus the the natural immune system and
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healing functions of your body, just digestion, all of that just
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started working like it's supposed to. And then that
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would, yeah.
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And so many people say that this relaxes them more than anything,
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and it it makes sense because it's designed by nature to do
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that, and it's a true like lens, a true way of learning to deeply
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let go of control, because if we're tremoring, it's it's we're
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either tremoring or we're not, and it's fairly easy to tell
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once you get into it. And if you are tremoring, you are like
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truly letting go of control. You're not just thinking. You're
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letting. You're relaxing, but you, your body on a
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physiological nervous system level, is definitely relaxing
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and letting go, and that's powerful.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay, so I'll summarize it in the different
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way, but it's by being completely or allowing the the
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parasympathetic state to fully do what it's supposed to do,
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which is heal, repair, make you rest, digest all of that stuff.
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Your body then knows how to continue with what it needs to
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do. It kind of resets all your other systems, whether it's your
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hormone system, your nervous system, your whatever digestive
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system. It's like you you go back to kind of a point of it's
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like those systems are no longer kind of frozen. They're they're
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they're released. Does that does that make sense to you that way
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of looking at
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Dr. Keith Motes: it? Yeah, that's a great way to look at
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it. And it's like the it goes out of fight, flight, or freeze
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mode. It's even in the name they freeze a lot of things. Systems
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get frozen into like the energy doesn't go to them because it's
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trying to run away from the tiger. And also, on that freeze
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note, a lot of our old these old traumas, even physical Injuries,
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trapped emotions-they get kind of numb after years and years.
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They get numb and frozen in our body, in our organs, in our
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tissues, in our subconscious. And this
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Dr. Keith Motes: Starts to this shaking starts to unfreeze them,
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unstick them. So then, these old, all this old stuff that's
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affecting us, even if we don't know it. Like my trauma was
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affecting me subconsciously, even though I was. Even aware
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that I had it, it it integrated out of me, and then the effect,
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the positive effect it had on me was like I was like reborn, and
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and I was getting, I was starting to grow again in my my
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practices. I wasn't stagnating, and life just took it beautiful
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360 transformation. So yeah, all these things unstick and
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unfreeze, and it's like we don't need to necessarily rationally
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know what it is. It's just on on that genetic subconscious level,
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we're we're purifying ourself into freedom, yeah, and it has a
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profound effect, and it helps with you know old pains and
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injuries. It's really great for a lot of that stuff because it's
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a lot of that stuff goes into contraction and it's frozen, and
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then bit by bit it unravels and unsticks and and then those
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contractions unravel and the pains free up.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah. Well, often too after an injury,
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at least in in my practice when I was in practice, doing Bowen
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therapy. I don't know. It's actually if you're in Australia,
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you probably heard about it. Bowen therapy, and that was a
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big part of my practice. And you know, people who came in from
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let's say car accidents, they may have whiplash or this or
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that, but if they went to see like a purely body functioning
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person, like a physiotherapist, they would be there for a year,
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two years. It's like the trauma wouldn't leave. When we did
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Bowen therapy, it's like the body could go into
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parasympathetic so quickly. If it was done, you know, soon
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enough afterwards, the trauma left, and then the person could
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heal in you know three to five weeks. So huge difference when
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it when the trauma is freed, you know. And I think this is a lot
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of the. I mean, Bowen is physical because you do touch,
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but it's yeah, it's it's highly energetic as well, obviously.
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But it's it's really it's like a a key into the body, into
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allowing the unraveling. I have had some patients undulate, like
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take it to another level. As in, like you know, if you do with a
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psychedelic, you it can open up other avenues. It's a little
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bit, or doors that might be closed or whatever, you know. So
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I've seen that, but it's interesting that shaking is what
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you're saying. If I get it, it's it's innate to us. It's already
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within us. We were we were made to have that skill, and we just
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haven't taken the time to To allow it, right?
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Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, it's we we all have it within us, so
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it's it feels usually more like a remembering than a learning
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something new. We're all born with it, and we even do it in
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the womb and as babies. But at some point, it gets suppressed
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and made to be weird, and we just bit by bit condition our
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children to not do this, and we don't teach it in schools, and
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you know we're taught to hold it together and not cry and don't
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don't shake your leg under the table and
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Manon Bolliger: and
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Dr. Keith Motes: on and on and on, and so eventually, we all
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just kind of like hold it all together all the time, and and
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but if we were to teach this to kids, which I really want to get
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it out into schools, that would be amazing.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
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Dr. Keith Motes: if they were to do this from a young age, they
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would never build up all that chronic tension and trauma.
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They'd be like the wild animal, where as soon as it happened,
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they they could go and shake it off, and then they're back to
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homeostasis. Like imagine a kid, a little kid. You know, you
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would think the worst thing in the world just happened when
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they start throwing that tantrum, like ah, you know,
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crying and screaming and wailing and kicking. But then, you know,
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a minute or five minutes later, they're like smiling and dancing
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and playing again. That the tantrum was like kind of like
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the shaking medicine. They move that energy cathartically,
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spontaneously, and then it's almost as if nothing ever
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happened. They just back to normal, just like that. And
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Manon Bolliger: she called, of course, redefining tantrums.
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You'll have a very young crowd, you know, and parents much more
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relaxed about the tantrums, right?
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Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, well, oh, that's a two-year-old, of
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course. That's what they do, and it's um, but when they get five,
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610, whatever the age is, it's like, oh, that's not okay
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anymore.
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Manon Bolliger: Right, but but I think it can be explained to the
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child, you know, like go ahead and do this. But you know, I
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guess it's true that if it's in in public, unless the yeah
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Dr. Keith Motes: yeah
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Manon Bolliger: all comfortable, they would probably be you know
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shunned or something, and you know we don't have a very
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society. She's
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Dr. Keith Motes: like, oh, okay, let's do that, but let's go home
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first and and our safe place, and then and let's do it there.
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But let's definitely do it, you know.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah. At some point, you get mature to have
00:26:17
the choice of okay, I am gonna hold it, but just until I get
00:26:21
home and I feel safe, and I'm not going to disturb everyone in
00:26:27
public, kind of thing. There is a point definitely where we want
00:26:31
that maturity within, yeah.
00:26:36
Manon Bolliger: Right. So, what with your background in quantum
00:26:41
physics, and that is there a relationship that you can talk
00:26:47
about with this?
00:26:50
Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, so quantum physics is a very
00:26:55
hardcore science. There is, of course, big philosophy branch of
00:27:03
it. I studied quantum computing technologies and how to develop
00:27:09
quantum computers using light, basically, and many aspects of
00:27:17
the quantum computer, from quantum error correction to to
00:27:23
like building the actual device with lenses and mirrors and beam
00:27:29
splitters and photons. Doing I built theoretically I was a am a
00:27:38
theoretical physicist. I built models of how to, you know, do
00:27:44
certain applications and quantum measurements, quantum
00:27:51
algorithms, different things like this, and the connection I
00:27:58
made. Well, quantum physics is one of the most successful
00:28:01
theories of all of physics. It studies the nature of the
00:28:07
universe more accurately than pretty much any other physical
00:28:14
physics theory, and it says down to the smallest particles of
00:28:21
nature. Everything is vibration. Everything's everything's
00:28:28
vibrating. It has a frequency, and in shaking medicine, we
00:28:35
vibrate the body in a macro a macro way, and you know, in
00:28:42
quantum, it's looking at the micro, the atoms and the
00:28:47
photons, and so yeah, the the main connection is that
00:28:54
everything is energy one, and everything is vibrating, or you
00:28:59
could say everything is Shaking literally, so the atoms are are
00:29:04
shaking, and we're we're shaking in a macro way, tuning into the
00:29:11
the natural frequencies of our human system, of how it wants to
00:29:17
move stuck energy, and and so many of our ish day to day
00:29:25
issues can be solved simply by moving some energy.
00:29:29
Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
00:29:30
Dr. Keith Motes: like we mostly we try to think our way out of
00:29:35
this. I mean, this is what I've noticed. Most people are trying
00:29:39
to ration rationalize and think their way out of most of their
00:29:43
problems, and I mean the mind is great. It's an amazing tool, and
00:29:48
when you know in balance, it's amazing, of course. But often we
00:29:56
just need to we need to circulate the energy.
00:30:00
Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
00:30:01
Dr. Keith Motes: and that allows for such freedom. And how do we
00:30:07
do that? Like the shaking is one of the most powerful ways. If
00:30:10
we're feeling like tight and emotionally or stressed out,
00:30:14
it's like let's even just like a minute sometimes or a few
00:30:19
minutes, and just like change our whole state, and and so this
00:30:30
is yeah profound for moving.
00:30:34
Manon Bolliger: So are you aware of or this this military
00:30:41
operation to bring out med beds.
00:30:46
Dr. Keith Motes: Med beds, no. What? What do you? What does
00:30:49
this say?
00:30:50
Manon Bolliger: Well, they're in Japan apparently, and they're
00:30:54
coming out soon around the world. But they're also based on
00:30:59
on Frequency healing is kind of the new medicine, you know. In a
00:31:06
sense, this is a post. Well, I guess for the public that
00:31:12
believed that pharmaceuticals and all this is all healthy,
00:31:20
it'll come to them as a surprise for the rest of us who kind of
00:31:25
saw the paradigm and its financial incentives and all
00:31:30
that. We're not going to be so surprised, but so these are
00:31:35
these are going to be available to people for free. So a very
00:31:42
interesting program. So it's starting to be talked about now
00:31:47
because it's that close. So
00:31:51
Dr. Keith Motes: amazing,
00:31:52
Manon Bolliger: very exciting. So it will be in Australia. I
00:31:54
know that for sure because there's several people in the
00:31:58
group I'm into talking about this, so yeah, keep your eyes
00:32:03
open. I
00:32:04
Dr. Keith Motes: will, I will. It
00:32:06
Manon Bolliger: should be like
00:32:08
Dr. Keith Motes: you like lay in the bed and it plays sound
00:32:13
frequency. Is it more subtle that you can't even hear?
00:32:16
Manon Bolliger: I don't actually know all of the the mechanisms
00:32:22
at play. Apparently, it's been around. It was one of the 600
00:32:28
sort of secrets that was kept from humanity for a long time.
00:32:33
So it was in play before, you know. As like Tesla, a lot of
00:32:37
his work was kept quiet. You know.
00:32:44
Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, yeah. Suppressed. Suppressed.
00:32:47
Manon Bolliger: Yes, that's the right word. Yes. So a lot of
00:32:49
these suppressed technologies are, and the use of ether and
00:32:54
all that is coming back to surface. They all got, at least
00:33:00
in Trump's administration, it got released, so it's now public
00:33:04
information. So we're going to see quite a shift with all this
00:33:12
information.
00:33:14
Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, there's a lot of shifts happening. Yeah,
00:33:18
Manon Bolliger: interesting.
00:33:18
Dr. Keith Motes: Beautiful, love it. I feel like a lot of these
00:33:23
ancient mega structures and and temples and such around the
00:33:30
world were at least part like these ancient technological
00:33:37
frequency sound
00:33:39
Manon Bolliger: yeah
00:33:40
Dr. Keith Motes: structures
00:33:42
Manon Bolliger: yeah. Structures and the
00:33:43
Dr. Keith Motes: old cathedrals are just like giant
00:33:46
antenna-looking things that
00:33:48
Manon Bolliger: are
00:33:49
Dr. Keith Motes: just. I feel like they they probably wear a
00:33:52
lot of these acted as a lot of these sort of frequency healing
00:33:57
devices or maybe energy devices. Like
00:34:00
Manon Bolliger: yeah, well that's what we're finding out
00:34:03
now, right? That all this is being slowly released, and that,
00:34:09
in fact, that's what it was, you know. So we're not the most
00:34:13
advanced society in the world. Go figure.
00:34:17
Dr. Keith Motes: That's it's becoming pretty obvious with
00:34:20
with Colin's ancient. discoveries, like Graham
00:34:25
Hancock's work, the Younger Trias, and what everything that
00:34:30
was like before that-it's like wow,
00:34:33
Manon Bolliger: the
00:34:33
Dr. Keith Motes: pyramids. It's like we would struggle to build
00:34:37
that with today's technology. It's like how did they do
00:34:41
Manon Bolliger: it long
00:34:41
Dr. Keith Motes: time ago, unless they had, they were an
00:34:44
advanced technological civilization, much older than
00:34:48
the history books talk about Egypt.
00:34:50
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, building
00:34:51
Dr. Keith Motes: them like,
00:34:53
Manon Bolliger: and
00:34:54
Dr. Keith Motes: I love it. It's it's so fascinating to me, and
00:34:58
it makes sense, like. We didn't actually take so long to become
00:35:03
this advanced, like this technologically advanced. Like
00:35:08
you could say a few 100, maybe a few 1000 years or whatever. But
00:35:12
humans have been around for hundreds of 1000s of years, if
00:35:16
not millions. So how many times could we have done this Already,
00:35:21
Manon Bolliger: right in
00:35:22
Dr. Keith Motes: in unique ways.
00:35:25
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. All right. Well, Keith, I think our time's
00:35:29
actually up, but thanks for sharing your your experience,
00:35:33
your knowledge, and yeah, and demonstrating sort of how innate
00:35:39
and natural it can be if you just surrender a little bit, you
00:35:43
know. So, and I'm sure. Do you you give you give lessons as
00:35:47
well, or you have a way people can follow you or learn from
00:35:52
from you?
00:35:53
Dr. Keith Motes: Yeah, yeah. Well, it's it's been a pleasure
00:35:56
sharing, and yeah, I have offerings which can all be
00:36:02
found@shakingmedicine.com, and I have everything from online
00:36:10
courses to do it at your own pace to one on one offerings to
00:36:17
teacher trainings. Yeah, so there's a few different aspects
00:36:23
there. I do retreats and some sometimes you know either do
00:36:31
what I call personal transformation retreats where we
00:36:36
meet up somewhere. You come to me or I come to you, and we we
00:36:41
do deep dive because I do body work as well. And when I'm in
00:36:45
person, I'm often like channeling that shake shaking
00:36:50
intelligence, feeling where that is in others. It's like okay,
00:36:56
supporting that that shifting and transformation. So yeah, it
00:37:01
goes well with with the body work. Yeah,
00:37:04
Manon Bolliger: yeah, for sure. Well, Australia is a little bit
00:37:07
far from where we are. Otherwise, well, who knows? You
00:37:13
know, with a new technology, it might just be just get
00:37:16
transported there.
00:37:18
Dr. Keith Motes: I'm in Bali at the moment. Born Bali, okay. And
00:37:21
I travel a lot, some like around the world. Okay.
00:37:26
Manon Bolliger: Anyway, so if people want to get hold of you,
00:37:28
they can, and we'll put a, you know, we'll put your info
00:37:32
underneath your or video here. So thanks very much for your
00:37:38
time.
00:37:40
Dr. Keith Motes: Thank you so much for having me. I loved our
00:37:43
conversation, Manon, and yeah, have a beautiful day. And anyone
00:37:51
watching this, Namaste.
00:37:58
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00:38:00
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00:38:10
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