In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger, speaks to Kristine, a clinical hypnotherapist and CEO of Journeys to Heal Inc., and shares her journey from accounting to hypnotherapy. Kristine emphasized the importance of addressing subconscious programming, using techniques like hypnotherapy, breathwork, and NLP to help clients reconnect with their inner wisdom.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/kristine-ovsepian
Highlights from today's episode include:
Kristine explains that hypnotherapy works by accessing the subconscious/unconscious (about 88% of our programming) and releasing the root stories, memories, and emotions, rather than just putting a "band-aid" on stress, anxiety, panic, or depression.
Kristine says you must reprogram negative childhood conditioning. Much of the "I'm not good enough / I can't" programming comes from childhood voices (often parents, teachers, bullies). The mind can be reprogrammed, like uninstalling and installing apps: we can replace limiting beliefs with empowering ones through positive suggestions and hypnotherapy.
Manon agrees Don't wait for collapse—honor misalignment early. You highlight that when what we're doing doesn't feel aligned, we can either wait until the body and mind break down (as in Kristine's story) or we can listen earlier, notice that "this isn't right," and start actively exploring what truly brings joy and purpose.
ABOUT KRISTINE OVSEPIAN:
As a clinical hypnotherapist with a Master's in Psychology, blending science and spirit to support deep healing and transformation. Through hypnotherapy, breathwork, past life regression, quantum healing, NLP, EFT, and manifestation coaching, I help others reconnect with their inner wisdom and divine power. Guided by love, intuition, and purpose, I hold space for my clients to awaken, release what no longer serves them, and step fully into their highest path.
Core purpose/passion: Being of service to others and helping raise the vibration/ frequency of others to live their best life
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ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: 'What Patients Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship' and 'A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress'. and What if Your Body is Smarter than You Think? I am the Founder & CEO of The Bowen College Inc. which teaches BowenFirst™ Therapy and holds transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENing to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience".
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Introduction: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the #1 for medical
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practitioners and holistic healers to have heart to heart
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conversations about their day to day lives while sharing their
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expertise for improving your health and wellness.
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe today. I'm with
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Kristine Ovsepian, and she runs an organization called Journeys
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to Heal Inc it. She's a clinical hypnotherapist, Coach
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specializing in depression, anxiety, panic, blocks of all
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types and fears, and she's the CEO of that company, and she's a
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Clinical Hypnotherapist with a master's in psychology, blending
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science and spirit to support deep healing and transformation.
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Now she uses a whole bunch of different tools, like
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hypnotherapy, breath work, combo, past life, regression,
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quantum healing, NLP, EFT and manifestation coaching to help
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others reconnect with their inner wisdom and their divine
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power. I think I'll stop with that as an as an intro to you
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and well, welcome and thank you for having me. I guess my first
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question to you is, what came? First, the desire to to heal,
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the intrigue with hypnotherapy, yeah, what was your journey?
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Kristine Ovsepian: I actually love that question, because
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usually I'm asked to start with, how did I start doing this?
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Well, definitely 100% the desire to be of service to others.
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Because growing up, I always felt I was drawn to help others.
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Even when I was a little girl. I used to do professional cultural
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dancing, and the moms would always ask me, what should we
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cook? How should we raise our kids? And my mom would always be
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like, You do realize you're talking to a four year old,
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right? And I had advice for everybody, but, I mean, it just
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came so naturally. I just loved children. I loved being
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surrounded by others. I loved helping others. So to be honest
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with you, hypnotherapy was never even in my energy field. I know
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I knew of stage hypnosis because when I was young, my brother was
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hypnotized on stage, and he did a lot of fun, amazing things
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that we laughed. But as far as therapy, that was never really,
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ever a thing in my life, because being born and raised in the
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country I was born in, and being Christian, it was like therapy
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alone. I think for most of us, it's just, well, there's nothing
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wrong with you. What do you need therapy for? At least in my
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culture, so hypnotherapy was never even an option or anything
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that I knew about until I hit my rock bottom 16 years ago, and I
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was like, God, save me. Okay?
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Unknown: And all this time, you were living in Armenia, right?
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Kristine Ovsepian: So I was 12 when I moved to the States, yes.
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And then since, since then, I've been in the States. But until
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3132 years old, hypnotherap was not even in my radar. I didn't
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even know it existed.
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Unknown: Yeah. So what then drew you, or is that just the way
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life was that you came across hypnotherapy?
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Kristine Ovsepian: So I mean, I was in accounting for a long
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time, and it just I spiraled and every year, and my soul just
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felt like she was dying inside, because being who I am, I'm such
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a people person, and I love interaction with others. I was
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behind a computer eight to 10 hours a day, and that was just
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not my world. And it kind of started doing its own thing, to
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a point where my own mind it's as you know, you realize when
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you're not happy, you're upset, you're sad, you can have the
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power of your mind really play tricks on you. And so it's my
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brain started to playing tricks on me, and my mind just was out
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of control. So my body became out of control, and I started
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having a lot of physical symptoms of issues in my body,
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especially in my gut. As we all know, our second brain is our
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gut, and a lot of our emotions, if not all our emotions, are
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really in the gut area. So I had a lot of a lot of severe
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physical symptoms. I had a nerve damage in my right arm, which
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was really psychosomatic symptom, because in my
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accounting, I had to do a lot of, you know, computer work and
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well, if my hand doesn't work, then I can't do my work, right?
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So, yeah. Yes, oh, the things that my brain created to
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basically protect me from doing what I so did not like doing. I
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didn't even like it. I love it. I didn't even like it, but it
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was just a time in my life where I truly felt out of control, and
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I knew deep inside I wanted to help people, but God knows, I
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tried I tried shelters, I tried animal shelters, I tried
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orphanages. I mean, I tried everything. I was like, How can
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I at least, if I'm doing the job that I don't like at all, how
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can I, on the side, do something that I actually do love, but
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every organization I contacted, all they wanted was just money
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and donations. And I was like, that's not how I want to be of
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service. I want to actually physically be of service. And
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from for I don't even know how long I was manifesting without
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realizing I'm manifesting because I used to get in my car,
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drop off my kids at daycare, go and get in my car, drive to my
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accounting job and just cry in the car and be like, God, I want
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to do what I love. I want to be of service to humanity and help
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people. I want to be, you know, in control of my own, basically,
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life time. And I want to be abundant doing what I love.
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Those were the four layers. And as you can see, there was
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nothing specific about hypnotherapy or any of that. And
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honestly, in 2009 my entire world as it felt like it was
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collapsing, it actually was being healed. So yeah, that's my
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journey in a nutshell.
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Manon Bolliger: So really, your your collapse to to doing what
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you wanted required. Would you say, in hindsight, that
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hypnotherapy was the one of the better choices for you, for the
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for the journey you were on, or did you end up doing different
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things?
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Kristine Ovsepian: Yeah, no, I didn't. Well while, while I was
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in accounting, to be honest with you, I was searching. I kept
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searching. So I was trying to start and do a candle business
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that went nowhere. I became a notary, loan signer that went
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nowhere. I What else did I do? I mean, I can't even I can't
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remember, but that was a handful of things that I was trying to
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do, thinking, Maybe this one will be better, while I was
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studying for the CPA exam to become a CPA thinking, that'll
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do the trick. But none of them did. And to be honest with you,
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again, the hypnotherapy was such a divinely guided path for me
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that I went to sleep one night, and I don't know why that night
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was specifically special. I couldn't tell you, maybe I
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prayed the hardest that night and went to sleep, and I
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literally looked to myself and I was wearing a white coat and had
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a golden badge, but I knew I was not a doctor, because medical
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stuff does not resonate with me whatsoever, but I knew I was
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helping people. I think it was just a metaphor. The white coat
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that I'm, you know, healing people, but not physically, like
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doing stuff. It's energetic healing. And while the golden
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badge, when I graduated from hypnotherapy school a year
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later, was given to me, and I looked at it, and I was like, oh
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my god, I saw this in a dream a year ago. So it was very
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divinely guided. And I didn't even get any information in my
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dream. I just woke up in the morning and something just in my
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mind said, type in, hypnotherapy. So I typed in,
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yeah, search, surge, hypnotherapy. And that's where
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my world just went right side up. It still wasn't right side
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up. It didn't feel like it, but that's where the journey began,
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which is why I called my my company journeys to heal,
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because it was a journey to heal for me, and it's been a journey
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to heal for all my clients over the years.
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Unknown: Yeah, that's interesting that there are no
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coincidence. Exactly.
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Kristine Ovsepian: No coincidence is just perfect
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synchronicities, if we just listen, which is why I'm a big
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advocate in letting my clients know and help them remember that
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we have the answers within us, but everybody's looking for the
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answers outside of themselves, which will never do it can be
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temporary, but all you can take from outside information is what
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resonates with me, and what can I do with that? But our answers
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are always within us. We just need to trust ourselves and
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listen to our intuition. As many of us always say, I should have
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listened to my gut. Where's that coming from? Our gut is our
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intuition.
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Unknown: Now with hypnotherapy, and then, you know, correct me
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or expand whichever way you would make sense. It feels like
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through sort of the meditation or the slight. Plants that you
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go into that you're tapping into. Some people call it the
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subconscious. Some the unconscious. I don't know if you
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have a preferred word for it.
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Kristine Ovsepian: Both are okay, because that's exactly
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what you're doing. You're tapping into your subconscious,
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which holds 88 at least percent of your programming of your
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brain. And the only reason why people struggle and suffer is
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because there's positives and negatives in that part of the
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brain holding the information from past to present, and the
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negatives if there's too many negatives in their stories from
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our childhood experiences, from our childhood as I always remind
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my clients that when they come to me, I'm not just giving them,
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you know, suggestions to put a band aid over what they're going
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through, but to really get to the root of it, because healing
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it from the root is the only way that we're going to have
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permanent solutions, permanent healing, permanent change.
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Unknown: So do you find that the way that you do hypnotherapy,
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that the patients or clients do, they bring up what is in their
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subconscious and become conscious of it, or that it's
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not necessary to bring it to consciousness
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Kristine Ovsepian: so it can go both ways. I love that question,
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actually, because it can go both ways. So during the coaching
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talk, part of the you know experience, I do listen to my
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client, and I'm always very present in my session. So I
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listen into my client, because all the codes are in there, all
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the messaging gets in there. I would just listen to my client
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and catch information in there that they don't even realize.
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There's a belief that is limiting them or distracting
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them or taking their power away. And I would write it down. And
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usually what I write down is not even so much what the problem
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is, but what is the solution? So I'm very solution based. So
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while I listen to my clients, you know, negative experience, I
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immediately put this like, What suggestion am I going to give
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them to shift that? So if it's you know, how to unblock them,
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how to help them release that story memory. And oftentimes,
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during that cognitive part, my clients would remember stories
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and be like, Oh, wait, remember, I remember this, and I remember
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that. And oftentimes, also in hypnosis, they'll come out and
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say, Oh my God, when we're in hypnosis, I want to when I was
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five years old, and this and that happened with me. So it can
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happen at any time, but it's not a necessary component, because
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really, what we're doing is raising raising the vibration,
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raising the frequency. It's not so much about, oh, I have to
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remember every bad thing that happened to me for me to heal.
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No, it's known and unknown, like your subconscious knows how to
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get rid of negative information, negative energy, negative
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stories, negative experiences, and really turn them into a
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positive so the moment that we realized, as I oftentimes say,
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the stress, anxiety, panic, depression, these are just
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symptoms of what stories are basically blocking me,
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controlling me, what am I reliving in the back of my head
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that I'm not even realizing, whose voice is in my head.
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There's a lot of the that judgment that we have of the
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self, and it's I oftentimes ask my client, I go, close your eyes
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and tell me the first person that comes up of like the
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judgment that is in your head. And you know, reality, it's,
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it's usually a parent that shows up, fortunately and
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unfortunately. It's not that far. You know what I mean? We
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don't have to go digging, but sometimes my clients would
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remember a teacher or a classmate or a bully or, you
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know, it can be anywhere that information, but once we
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basically tap in, what we're doing is through positive
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suggestions, affirmations and information. We are because the
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mind. We are naturally, just innately positive beings. We're
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Divine Beings of positivity, love, joy, happiness. That is
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our nature. It's kind of like, I always would describe it, like a
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helium balloon. A helium balloon just wants to be light and float
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right, and then we basically pull it back and tie it to
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something heavy, but it's still floating. To imagine that thing
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that is the heaviness is our stories, our memories, our
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experiences, but the moment you cut that emotional core, that
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connection, what happens to the helium balloon? It just
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naturally, like floats up. That's our energy. That's our
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frequency, like the heaviness that we feel in our lives.
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Kristine Ovsepian: It's energies of information that are trapped
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in our energy field, and we're constantly carrying that
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baggage, that burden, that weight. And the moment we do
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hypnosis with I would generously just say, I don't want to say
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100% 99.9% of the time my clients come out going, oh my
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god, suddenly I feel so much lighter, physically, mentally,
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emotionally, spiritually. Because that's the first thing
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that I focus on, on first session. Because in kind of
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releasing that burden and baggage, what happens? We
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automatically feel the lightness, and then once we feel
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that lightness, we're like, well, this feels good. How much
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lighter can I feel? How much more peaceful can I feel? I've
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had clients in the past, not too many, because I do tell my
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clients, look, you're going to feel inner peace. You're going
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to feel but I had a few clients years ago contact me and say,
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this is weird for me. And I said, What is weird? And one of
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my clients, she said, I feel empty. I was like, is that
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emptiness, or is that peace? And she paused for a moment, and she
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was like, Oh my God, I feel peaceful, like my thoughts are
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not driving me crazy. Suddenly, everything is calm in here. And
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I said, That's peace, and that's your nature. You just forgot
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about it. And she started crying, because, you know, we
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were just we forgot who we are, and that's the saddest part, but
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now it's time for us to get back to who we are.
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Manon Bolliger: Definitely it's, it's the it's the right time.
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Kristine Ovsepian: It is so the right time.
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Unknown: One question I have for you, how do you work with these
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two different notions? Okay? One of them is that are about, I
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think they say 88% I don't know, 90% of all our thoughts,
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apparently, are negative thoughts that's in it. And the
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other thought, or, you know, what is also shared is that the
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unconscious is there to protect you, right? So you would think,
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how are those two different statements compatible or
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incompatible? Or, how would you? How do you
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Kristine Ovsepian: Yes, so I'll answer the first one, and then
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you'll ask me, I actually, I'll answer the second part, and
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you'll ask me the first question again, and then I'll answer
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that. For some reason I want to answer backwards, but there's no
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backwards or forwards. So to me, I always describe our ego,
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logical brain, this protective side of us, the masculine, as
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two layers to that, there's the healthy version and then there's
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the unhealthy version. The healthy version is the one that
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we all need and need to have. That's why, when spiritual
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people oftentimes say, oh, kill the ego. Now that is part of our
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human experience, and as long as we're alive, guess what? We have
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an ego, but that ego can be healthy and unhealthy. So the
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healthy one is the one that you know, I'm not going to go put
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myself in a dangerous situation, right? I'm not going to run
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across a freeway and say I'm spiritual. I won't get hurt.
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Yes, you're going to get hurt. I'm not going to go jump off of
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something that I know is going to hurt my body permanently or
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or temporarily. So that's the healthy ego. We don't ever want
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to, you know, numb that, because that's just our nature. So the
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unhealthy ego is the one that simply says, You can't do this,
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you can't do that, and it becomes the can't, you're not
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smart enough, you're not good enough. And that part of our
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brain is really the programming that we got starting childhood,
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what we were told, which is why, when I tell my clients, close
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your eyes and tell me, whose voice is it, and they
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immediately go to one parent or another or a bully or a
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combination. So that's the unhealthy part that we're
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working with. We we nurture the health. Part and we basically
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with love, as I always say, yelling, screaming is never
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going to work. Majority of the time, people are so caught up in
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their negativity that they basically punish themselves.
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They are their own bullies, right? As I always tell my
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clients, well, that person is no longer bullying you, that person
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is no longer hurting you work verbally, physically or in any
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formal way, but you're doing it to yourself, and oftentimes I'm
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looked at like, Oh my God. I didn't even realize that,
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because it becomes our no so how does our brain work? Our brain
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does not realize reality from fiction, right from wrong, good
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from bad. It's just repetition, whatever, which is why there's
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the mind manipulation. Is a real thing that people can be
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manipulated to feel like they're, like, literally capable
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of anything. And then there's people who are given the
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programming of, you're not good enough, you're not smart enough,
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you can't do it. And they end up, you know, getting caught up
00:20:59
in that story and repeating that throughout their life. So this
00:21:04
is where I go deeper into that, and I remind my clients or
00:21:09
anybody that I'm even in this situation, that we're having
00:21:12
this conversation to the listeners saying that you are in
00:21:16
control of your own life. It's time for us to take
00:21:19
responsibility for that and realize we are in control. We're
00:21:22
either gonna let our past control our life, or we're gonna
00:21:25
say whatever what my past was I had of I don't come from a very
00:21:30
joyful childhood. I come from a very challenging childhood, but
00:21:34
I took that and while much of my life, this is why I was
00:21:38
struggling in accounting for so long because I was victimizing
00:21:44
myself. And the moment I realized, well, wait a minute,
00:21:46
I'm not a victim. I don't want to be a victim, because being a
00:21:50
victim means I'm not growing, I'm not expanding, I'm not
00:21:54
creating, and the moment I realized I'm not a victim, I am
00:21:58
capable of that change, my entire world changed. So that's
00:22:04
kind of how I would describe that. And then if you can ask
00:22:07
me, maybe I answered the first question already, but if I
00:22:09
didn't, please go ahead. Yeah.
00:22:13
Unknown: So which one was the first one I asked you? It was
00:22:16
the the the negative thoughts and the self protection, those
00:22:21
are the two.
00:22:22
Kristine Ovsepian: Yeah, so the negative thoughts is the
00:22:23
programming that we got from childhood, absolutely. Because,
00:22:27
again, if a child is born, if I'm not mistaken, they'll quote
00:22:31
me on this, but I think it was Einstein's mother when he was
00:22:34
taken to school, and the teacher wrote the mom a letter and gave
00:22:37
the mom a letter when she went to pick him up, and the letter
00:22:40
said, don't bring your child back to the school. He's too
00:22:43
stupid. And the mom read that letter, and you know, the little
00:22:47
Einstein said, Well, Mom, what does it say? And she said, dear
00:22:51
teacher said, You are so smart you don't belong in school. So
00:22:55
then she homeschooled him, and he became a genius. You know
00:22:58
what? I mean? That's the difference between what's
00:23:01
specially a parent, what information a parent gives their
00:23:05
child. Because every child in this world, no matter how great
00:23:09
or how awful a parent can be, every child is seeking for their
00:23:13
parents love and validation and acceptance. So if the parent is
00:23:17
giving you the power of you can do anything. You can be
00:23:20
anything. And I can put money on this, because 16 years I see my
00:23:25
clients whose parents did that, and I see my clients, majority
00:23:29
of my clients whose parents didn't do that, then said, No,
00:23:32
you got to keep your head down. You're just a girl, right? That
00:23:35
story or being to men or boys being told you're not a sissy,
00:23:41
you're not a girl. Don't cry. Don't be so weak, right? All
00:23:44
that information affects us. So now it's just programming. But
00:23:50
the beautiful part about the mind is that just as it gets
00:23:53
programmed, it can get reprogrammed, just like a
00:23:56
computer, right? If you don't like the information that's in
00:23:58
there, if you don't like the apps in your phone, change them,
00:24:01
uninstall and install new ones. And our brain works the exact
00:24:05
same way, right?
00:24:07
Unknown: And I did ask this a little bit, but I just want a
00:24:10
clarifying point here, like you're putting in new
00:24:14
information, but does the client? Do you think it's
00:24:22
useful, or it makes no difference that the client
00:24:25
understands that, that it's unconsciously that they're
00:24:31
saying negative things, for example, or that it's their
00:24:34
upbringing, or that they were told this, or like, in other
00:24:38
words, does it work to just give positive feedback, or is it
00:24:44
important to make peace or bring up or identify
00:24:51
Kristine Ovsepian: these acknowledging, identifying is
00:24:54
very important, because if we don't know what the problem is,
00:24:58
how do we fix the problem? Right? Okay, so majority of my
00:25:01
clients that come to me don't even know where the problem is
00:25:04
coming from, and then when they realize, wait a minute, I
00:25:07
remember when I was five years old, my dad did this, or my
00:25:09
father that my mom said that, or, or I watched this and I
00:25:13
observed that acknowledgement is really the first step, because
00:25:16
the moment we realized also, am I really the problem? You know
00:25:21
what I mean? Because the average person, because from childhood,
00:25:25
was so much of the time we're told, don't say that, don't do
00:25:28
that. That's wrong. Don't jump, don't don't run, don't laugh too
00:25:33
much, don't we end up not trusting ourselves, and if we
00:25:37
don't trust ourselves, how do we really feel empowered to do
00:25:42
anything, right? So acknowledgement is the first
00:25:46
step of really realizing because it's not about pointing fingers.
00:25:52
I always tell my clients, it's not about especially with
00:25:55
certain cultures, including mine, oftentimes it's so
00:25:59
difficult for the child to say, my mom did this to me. Because
00:26:03
the average client that comes to me, they go, Well, my parents
00:26:07
were so great. They did the best that they can. But then your
00:26:11
life currently is full of fear, full of limitation, lack of
00:26:14
love, lack of success, lack of money, lack of happiness.
00:26:20
Where's all that coming from? Then in that case, your life
00:26:23
should be perfect, right, at least close to being perfect.
00:26:27
But if it's not, then we need to acknowledge, Okay, where is the
00:26:31
problem coming from? Because if we find it with anything, once
00:26:34
we find the problem, we know how to solve it.
00:26:38
Unknown: So and that process to identify what the problem is, in
00:26:43
other words, what negative thoughts people might have. So
00:26:49
is that where you put people into a bit of a trance, where
00:26:55
you're asking them guided questions that allows this to
00:26:59
come up, so you can identify what it is, so
00:27:02
Kristine Ovsepian: that, so that can be a process of when I
00:27:05
noticed my client is stuck somewhere, and we can't get the
00:27:09
kind of information I would even in hypnosis, ask a question and
00:27:14
have their consciousness answer me out loud or internally, and
00:27:20
then they can basically, we'll come back and we discuss it. But
00:27:25
overall, it can happen at any time. It can happen in the
00:27:28
cognitive part. It can happen during the hypnotherapy part. It
00:27:32
just depends on the situation.
00:27:34
Unknown: Okay, interesting, yeah, so you've been doing this.
00:27:38
How long now?
00:27:39
Kristine Ovsepian: 16 years. Wow, since 2009
00:27:43
Unknown: Yeah, incredible. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just comes to show
00:27:48
if you're not happy with something, keep looking right.
00:27:53
Kristine Ovsepian: Absolutely. That was my greatest goal, even
00:27:57
you know, in writing my books, because I see so many people
00:28:00
getting hurt and losing their lives for no reason. There's
00:28:04
absolutely no reason, and there's just as long as we keep
00:28:08
seeking, we will find the answers. That's my biggest
00:28:11
message now to people that keep seeking, keep looking. Don't
00:28:15
give in. Don't give up. There's always an answer. The Divine is
00:28:19
like Unlimited, unlimited resources, unlimited
00:28:23
possibilities, where there's a will, there's always a way. I
00:28:26
live many of years of my life that way, with that intention,
00:28:31
where there's a will, there's always a way.
00:28:34
Unknown: Okay, well, thank you very much for sharing you know,
00:28:38
your your life experience, and your, yeah, your shift, and how
00:28:43
it came to be, and that you stepped into really enjoying who
00:28:49
you are and
00:28:50
Kristine Ovsepian: helping people. Thank you. Thank you for
00:28:53
having me. And I love sharing.
00:28:54
Unknown: The part I want to draw out a little bit from the
00:28:57
discussion with Christine, is this not to give up. You know,
00:29:03
when you're not feeling aligned in what you're doing. And it
00:29:07
could be, you know, a type of practice you're doing doesn't
00:29:11
have to be accounting or something completely different.
00:29:14
But just keep seeking, keep looking, keep being open.
00:29:18
Because in her case, you know her, her mind took over. Her
00:29:23
body broke down. When you can wait till it does, hold on. But
00:29:26
you know one doesn't need to right. Just notice that it
00:29:30
doesn't feel right and and then start investigating what what
00:29:35
feels better, and what is it? And you know, in that
00:29:38
Christine's case, she always wanted to help people and help
00:29:42
people with accounting and doing many different things, but I
00:29:45
think she had something specific in mind. And I think you know,
00:29:49
if you don't explore it right, part of what this series of
00:29:56
talks on the healers Cafe is. Blooming, how people decided to
00:30:03
become what they became, and why they're doing what they're
00:30:06
doing, and how they aligned to all that. So one of the
00:30:10
takeaways with the discussion with Christine, for me, was
00:30:14
really not to give up. You know, if things don't feel right,
00:30:19
they're not right until they become until you find yourself
00:30:23
in something that really works for you, and while you're in
00:30:30
something that does not, you know, the body is very wise.
00:30:34
They will find a million ways to break down. The mind is very
00:30:38
smart too. It'll sabotage everything and ruin everything
00:30:42
so that you can't do what it is that you're doing. It's sort of
00:30:47
like it creates its own excuses. But imagine being able to listen
00:30:53
and know that you're not aligned with what you're currently doing
00:30:58
and make a different decision and spend some time really
00:31:02
searching, what is it that you see yourself doing in life? What
00:31:08
is it that brings you joy, that that you feel, that you're
00:31:14
you're here to do so, yeah.
00:31:18
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