Stuart Tomc, a globally recognized leader in Omega 3 science, discussed his journey in the nutrition industry, emphasizing the shift from guess-based supplementation to test-based precision nutrition. He highlighted the importance of maintaining a balance between Omega 6 and Omega 3, ideally a 1:1 ratio, for optimal health. Tomc introduced Zinzino's Omega 3 blood spot test, which has tested 1.7 million people globally, revealing significant imbalances. He explained Zinzino's Balance Oil, which includes polyphenols for stability and efficacy,
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/stuart-tomc
Highlights from today's episode include:
Stuart says Test, don't guess: Omega‑6:3 balance in red blood cells is the key inflammatory "vital sign" – you can take fish oil and still be completely out of the safe zone.
Stuart explains fish oil ≠ fish: Most refined fish oils are "naked," stripped of protective polyphenols, so they don't behave like real food; Balance Oil restores that missing polyphenol protection.
Manon states health sovereignty: People should be the CEOs of their own health—using at‑home tests to know their status and keeping (or firing) practitioners based on results.
ABOUT STUART TOMC:Stuart Tomc is a globally recognized leader in omega-3 science with 30+ years in the nutrition industry and over $1 billion in supplement sales influenced worldwide.
He has appeared in 6,000+ media interviews and served as Global Educator for Nordic Naturals, training teams at Whole Foods Market, Sprouts Farmers Market, The Vitamin Shoppe, and GNC, as well as independent retailers and healthcare professionals around the world.
Today, Stuart is helping lead the shift from guess-based supplementation to test-based precision nutrition.
Start testing. Stop guessing.
We measure the AA/EPA ratio, Omega-3 Index, Gut Health Index, Vitamin D, and HbA1c — with more AI-driven tests on the way.
Stuart teaches that kitchen table medicine — testing at home with high-quality products delivered to your door — is the future of the supplement industry, and he mentors partners building scalable, subscription-based businesses rooted in real data, real results, and real retention
Core purpose/passion: Moving the dial on public health globally
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Introduction: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the #1 show for
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medical practitioners and holistic healers to have heart
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to heart conversations about their day to day lives while
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sharing their expertise for improving your health and
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wellness.
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have
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with me Stuart Tomc. And he is a globally recognized leader in
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Omega 3 science with 30 plus years in the nutrition industry
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and over 1 billion in supplement sales, influenced worldwide, he
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has appeared in over 6000 media interviews and served as global
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educator for Nordic Naturals training teams at Whole Foods
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Market, Sprouts Farmers Market, the vitamin shop and GNC as well
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as independent retailers and healthcare professionals around
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the world today, Stuart is helping lead the shift from
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guest based supplementation to test based precision nutrition.
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And I think I will leave it at that, and just welcome you here,
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and I'm super excited to be to have you present to our audience
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here, and to tell us a little bit more about zinzino, but I
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think before we start with that, just tell us a little bit about
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your own journey, your own path, and how you connected to this
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company, because I see you were with Nordic, Which a lot of us
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are familiar with
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Stuart Tomc: Well. Manon Bolliger, it's such an honor to
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be on your show. I'm just so touched. Thank you so much for
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letting me meet your audience today. I have spent my entire
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life in the dietary supplement industry. I started 1985 in
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Chicago in a health food store called sherwin's health food
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store, you would have loved it. It was so cool. We had
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naturopaths working there, doctors like yourself, or, you
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know, natural facilitators and experts in nutrition, and they
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were very interested in the science. And so I had a very
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great introduction to the industry. And then, do you
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remember the oil of oregano product from North America,
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right?
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Manon Bolliger: Yep,
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Stuart Tomc: the cure is in the cupboard,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Stuart Tomc: I worked alongside Dr Caf Ingram for 10 years,
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Manon Bolliger: wow.
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Stuart Tomc: And I helped to develop those products. And it
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was such an honor. What a blessing. He was, a great
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visionary. He wrote like 20 books. He was an osteopath, so
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he was also still seeing patients. And then I was
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recruited to be the global educator for Nordic Naturals.
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That was an incredible job. Wow. I mean, with your background,
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you would have loved it, because they sent me to all of the big
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science conferences,
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Manon Bolliger: okay? And
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Stuart Tomc: I would run the booth, and then during the
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lectures, I would run in and sit in the back,
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Manon Bolliger: alright? And
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Stuart Tomc: then I got to walk up to all of the leading experts
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in Omega three, because it's still a small group,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Stuart Tomc: And many of them are still alive. The top names
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William E lands, PhD, who is the father of the Omega six, three
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balance third, Michael Crawford, who's known as grandpa DHA. I
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mean, these, these men are in their 90s. Susan Carlson,
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anyway, the point is, I got to meet all of the top experts.
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Manon Bolliger: And
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Stuart Tomc: because I was the Nordic Naturals guy, I was a non
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threat to them. I was a proxy for their research, right? So
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they took me under their wing, and we became great friends,
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Manon Bolliger: still
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Stuart Tomc: to this day. And then after that, I helped to
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build CV sciences, if you remember, plus CBD, that was one
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of the big publicly traded cannabinoid companies.
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Manon Bolliger: Oh, okay, yeah. I mean, I don't know them, but
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Stuart Tomc: yeah, but we had that was a lot of fun, too. We
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had the patent for synthetic CBD for smokeless tobacco cessation.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay?
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Stuart Tomc: We were real life science company. And then,
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anyway, and then a couple of years ago, I went back to my
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first love, which is omega three.
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Manon Bolliger: And so that's
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Stuart Tomc: what I've done for the last couple of years, to try
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to continue to educate people about test based nutrition. I
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found the Omega three blood spot test in 2007 so this has been
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sort of the main quest of my life, is to get people tested
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Manon Bolliger: right? Well, I love the fact that there's
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testing and you're not just guessing, like you said, you
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know what your levels are, because, you know, when I had a
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practice and I could prescribe, I would prescribe, you know,
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Nordic sometimes try to get the top of the line and try and do
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the best amount of research, but, you know, there was no
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testing, so you're, you don't know if there. Having enough.
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You don't know if you should try a different brand. You don't
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know anything. So when, when I found out that you could
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actually test easily and and also that it the the patient or
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the client themselves could test, that's what got me really
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excited. Because, you know, I'm into sovereign health. You know,
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people take over your own health. Don't trust everybody,
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but have a team that you trust, and if the team's not working
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up, fire them, you know, like fire. I'm a bit ruthless that
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way. So, so, you know, I know that there you can do tests, you
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know, in some provinces here in Canada, but to have the client
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pick up the test, check out where they are, you know, I
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think that's that's an incredible service. So anyway,
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enough about this.
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Stuart Tomc: Oh no, no. I love hearing it because I'm biased.
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I'm completely invested in this idea of the decentralization and
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the democratization and the empowerment of testing, because
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unless you prick your finger, there's a little Lance and put
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two drops of blood right on the filter paper, we have no idea,
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Manon Bolliger: no,
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Stuart Tomc: if you have the right amount in your tissues
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Manon Bolliger: right well, could you speak to why it
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matters that we should know, like, Why? Why does Omega three
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matter? I mean, a lot of people do know, but you know, it's a
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good to have a little bit of a reminder and why you're so
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passionate about getting this out to millions of people.
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Stuart Tomc: Well, one of the little lessons that I learned,
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they call it omega hand. If you just hold up your left fist, and
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I explained to somebody, imagine this is omega six. Omega six
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primarily comes from land based food. It's essential. Your body
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doesn't make it and it produces the largely pro inflammatory
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hormone like compounds on the right fist is omega three. This
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is also essential. It comes primarily from ocean, seed
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derived foods, and your body doesn't make it and it's largely
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anti inflammatory. We want these in balance in the tissue, which
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is the issue in every cell membrane. So when people say to
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me, Well, what is omega three? Well, it's an essential fatty
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acid your body doesn't make, and it produces the largely anti
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inflammatory hormone like compounds. Omega threes also
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produce things that are called specialized pro resolution lipid
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mediators. That's a big mouthful, SLBMs, and they're
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involved in the orchestration of the resolution of inflammation.
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And what I learned from William E lands, PhD, my mentor, fish
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Omega three and human health, for those taking notes, is that
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these Omega six and Omega three, they were designed our bodies
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were designed to have them in balance because they share the
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same enzymatic pathway
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Manon Bolliger: compete
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Stuart Tomc: for conversion and placement. So what does this
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mean to the lay person who's just, you know, plugging in? I
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know you have a very educated audience, but if you have a
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balance between omega six and Omega three, we have a much
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healthier inflammatory response, because inflammation happens.
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It's life. Omega threes help to suppress inflammation and
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resolve inflammation. So when people are in balance, one to
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one is ideal. Hypothetically, it's still debating
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Unknown: two
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Stuart Tomc: to one, three to one, anything above that, you're
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missing the boat, and so the entire Omega three industry,
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which is based on marketing and billions of dollars generated if
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the patient doesn't test herself, you could be taking
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fish oil and eating sardines and be completely Missing the safe
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zone
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Manon Bolliger: and the human consequence of inflammation
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that's not regulated is what we see all our chronic diseases,
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strokes, heart attacks, you name it. I mean every chronic disease
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has, not every, but almost has a, you know, an inflammatory
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component, right? So
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Stuart Tomc: I completely agree, and some of my mentors have said
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to me, the doctor that used to be my boss at Nordic Naturals, I
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won't mention her name at this moment, but she was super,
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super, super cool. And she used to say to me, you know, when she
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saw her patient, she was a naturopath, she said, I would
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say to my patients, do you think that being out of balance is is
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better in your situation, and just really empower the patients
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that you know what? I think you're right? I probably would
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like a better inflammatory or a healthier inflammatory response.
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So that's what I love about what we're doing. Now we don't have
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to diagnose, treat, cure, or mitigate, ameliorate any
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diseases or disease symptoms. We need to show people that if you
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are in balance and you have the appropriate Omega three index,
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it's the most modifiable risk factor for health,
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Manon Bolliger: right, right? Yeah, very interesting. There's
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a study that I don't know if you could just talk about it, that
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shows how many, I think it's like 1000s of people have taken
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this in zenzino and have had fantastic results in balancing,
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which you know, most of our belief system is you put the
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body in balance, and it knows what to do. So if you're missing
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the substrate to so that the body can do its work, then
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you're missing you can't go into balance. You're just missing too
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much to be able to do that right, which is what excites me,
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you know that personally about about Omega three, especially,
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but I like that the balance and I what I was also reading is
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that you you keep the polyphenols in. Can you maybe
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speak to that as why I know I'm asking you two questions,
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Stuart Tomc: the data first, and then we're going to talk about
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why the CO factors are always important.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay,
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Stuart Tomc: they're always important. So let's first show
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your audience where they can go look at this information
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themselves. You don't have to register for this website. It's
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called zenzino test.com zenzino test.com and this is the global
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interactive map. Now this is the reason why I felt so comfortable
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being part of this company, and not just me, the former chief
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science officer from Nordic Naturals. He's also a partner in
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zenzino, their top medical spokesperson, Dr Michael Lewis,
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MD, MPH, MBA, I work very closely with him every single
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day. My former boss, who I'd mentioned before, she had been
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part of Zeno, a five of us from Nordic Naturals. So that should
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really say something. So first, it's powerful, isn't it?
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah?
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Stuart Tomc: Why? Because we are brand agnostic. I'm gonna make
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this clear. Patients come first. If you ate enough sardines, I
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always go with my I walk around with my sardine can. If you ate
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enough of these, and you got the right level in your blood, you
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don't need any supplements.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
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Stuart Tomc: that's what a supplement is.
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Manon Bolliger: You know what? I was hoping I'd be that one.
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Stuart Tomc: No, me too. And I failed miserably, and I start to
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use all the time. Get into the cofactor. So let's click Canada
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right here. So we've tested 11 people in Canada. Your
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average first score is 13.7 to one. That means 13.7 times.
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Let's be more technical, arachidonic acid, which is an
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obligatory ligand for Cox and locks that make these pro
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inflammatory hormone like compounds thicken your blood,
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increase sensitivity to pain, very important when you get cut.
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EPA makes the anti inflammatory hormone like compounds that thin
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the blood and reduce sensitivity to pain part of the resolution
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of inflammation. So look at this 13.7 to one, down to 3.3 to one.
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That's 11 people.
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Manon Bolliger: Wow.
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Stuart Tomc: That's very persuasive. Now let's look at
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some other countries down here, 22.4 to one.
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Manon Bolliger: Wow.
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Stuart Tomc: Oh, okay. We eat more Pam and spam and ding dongs
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and chicken nuggets and o's and Krispy Kremes than you doll,
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than y'all do, and good for you. But then we look at Norway or
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Sweden. Let's click over here. Norway, we've tested 113
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people, and they go from 10.8 down to 2.7 so if you take some
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Go ahead, please.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, it's still higher than I would have
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expected.
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Stuart Tomc: Yes, everywhere.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
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Stuart Tomc: if you look at Japan, and I won't click through
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all of them, but you can go and look yourself like, look at
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India, real quick, 46.3 to one.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, I can see that. But yeah. What about
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Japan?
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Stuart Tomc: Well, Japan, Japan is about the same as Ghana
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Africa.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay,
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Stuart Tomc: okay, so I'm gonna navigate away from this just for
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a second, because it's
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Manon Bolliger: worth
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Stuart Tomc: saying the score in Japan is almost the same as
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Ghana Africa. The diet is completely different. They're
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about nine to one. So why? In Japan, they're eating, on
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average, 250 pounds of seafood per person per year, and they
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use a lot of sesame seed oil, which doesn't mean that it's
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bad, it just has more omega six,
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Manon Bolliger: correct? Yeah. Now
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Stuart Tomc: we're looking at linoleate Omega six and seed
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oil. We're really talking about arachidonic acid. But you see,
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there's a competition in. Ghana, they're almost the same score. I
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have some partners in Ghana, and they just don't eat junk food,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Stuart Tomc: And so it's the silver lining of being poor.
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It's very beautiful. And so when people, you look at that map and
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realize that we've tested 1.7 million people, and we found an
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entire world out of balance.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, that's quite impressive. Yes,
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Stuart Tomc: then in summary, on this thought, and then we'll
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talk about why the cofactors are important. The main reason I was
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so comfortable with being part of this organization is all of
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the samples go here. This is called VITAS analytical
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services. This is where the red blood spot testing was born, in
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the Science Center in Oslo Norway. They work with the Max
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Planck Institute, Bristol, Myers, Squibb, gehealthcare, and
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zinzino is their biggest customer. Now, what I loved was
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you get a little identifier code. It's completely anonymous.
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They don't get your address or your phone number or anything,
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Unknown: and
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Stuart Tomc: they've taken that data and look at this
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publication, 590 whole blood dry spot samples. This is the
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largest observational study ever, 590 people. And it
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found a world out of balance. Now we have two other
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publications going through peer review when they come out, and
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you'd be so kind, I'd love to come back,
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Manon Bolliger: sure
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Stuart Tomc: Show the audience, because this makes this the
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biggest public health initiative, and a company that
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is not a marketing company masking around around as a
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science organization.
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Manon Bolliger: We're
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Stuart Tomc: very committed to health, and the people behind
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the company are some of the greatest minds. I will point to
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the gentleman to the top right, Paul Clayton, PhD. He studied at
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Edinboro and then worked with Sir Michael Crawford. And he, if
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you followed his work ever, he's the greatest living mind and
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nutrition today, in my opinion. So he's our Chief Science
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Officer, the man right below him, and Angela Rizzo and
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several others created what's called Balance oil. And the
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balance concept, right? The balance concept was, we're not
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going to guess. We're going to test the patient at baseline.
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Then
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Manon Bolliger: we're
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Stuart Tomc: going to start this next generation oil. I'm going
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to explain based on your body weight. Here's a shot glass.
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Unknown: You're
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Stuart Tomc: bigger, you take more. You're smaller, you take
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less. And then they said something so simple, so
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profound, I can't believe we missed it. They said, You can't
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teach a one day old red blood cell a new trick. It's an old
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dog and won't learn a new trick. You can't affect 118 day old red
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blood cell. They live about 120 days, right? They said, you can
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only impact the new red blood cells that are coming online out
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of the bone marrow.
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Unknown: So
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Stuart Tomc: you need to take the oil based on your body
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weight, your bigger, more, smaller, less for 120 days, and
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then test again. And then finally, you have to make sure
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that your oil is more like oily fish in liquid form, not
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purified fish oil. Now this is where I had eat some humble pie.
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And I was wrong, because I stood on stages all over the world,
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and I said Nordic Naturals makes the world's safest, most
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effective Omega three oils, and I show the levels of oxidation
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almost non existent. You remember the sales pitch?
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Manon Bolliger: Oh, yeah.
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Stuart Tomc: Well, it ends up being naked oil, denatured,
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naked
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Unknown: oil,
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Manon Bolliger: right? Yeah,
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Stuart Tomc: allow me to explain. So this is where it all
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starts. So algae is the source of all EPA and DHA every single
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bit. Now we're not talking about ala from flax meal or purslane
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that desaturates and elongates and their rate limiting factors
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there. Here, the pre formed EPA and DHA all comes from marine
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micro algae. And around the outside, I'll show you what it
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looks like. Is a polyphenol ring. Technically, it's a
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fluorotanon with a P, and it protects the Omega three, and it
00:19:26
ensures it goes through the trophic levels of the fish.
00:19:30
Ultimately, when we eat sardines or fish, the Polyphenols are
00:19:34
there to help it bio accumulate. When the Inuit were eating seals
00:19:38
and whales, they weren't just eating EPA and DHA, they were
00:19:42
eating a ton of these polyphenols, which are
00:19:46
antioxidants
00:19:47
Unknown: and
00:19:47
Stuart Tomc: allow the Inuit to recycle the small amount of
00:19:51
vitamin C they got in the skin of the seals, which is why they
00:19:54
didn't have scurvy. So when I unlocked all this, my brain.
00:20:00
Exploded because this is what we do to fish oil. I'm this is an
00:20:04
analogy now,
00:20:06
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:20:06
Unknown: we
00:20:06
Stuart Tomc: take this incredible, perfect food, milk,
00:20:11
and then we destroy it.
00:20:14
Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
00:20:14
Stuart Tomc: Well, look at this is what we do with fish oil. And
00:20:18
I don't think people fully appreciate how much processing
00:20:21
goes on. Look at to the right side of the slide, heated up to
00:20:24
250 C under a vacuum, separate the molecules by weight. We
00:20:30
remove the contaminants, that's good, and then we remove all of
00:20:35
the CO factors in nature, and that's bad. So this is what they
00:20:39
look like if we didn't have that polyphenol ring, the EPA and DHA
00:20:45
explode the what were we doing? We were taking purified fish
00:20:49
oil, putting it in a bottle with vitamin E, like Edward and
00:20:53
rosemary, and the second you ingest it, it's absolutely
00:20:56
unstable in the body. It is not the same as eating fish. So how
00:21:02
did they? How does, how do we replace these polyphenols? Well,
00:21:06
they got lucky, in my opinion, because they're 1000
00:21:10
polyphenols, and the ones in olives pre harvest, baby little
00:21:15
olives are lipophilic and almost identical in structure. And so
00:21:21
what they did is genius during the manufacturing. It's a
00:21:26
nitrogen blanket so there's no oxygen. You bump in the
00:21:30
triglyceride form fish oil made from anchovies, totally
00:21:33
sustainable triglyceride form with the polyphenols, and they
00:21:38
wrap around and mimic that delivery system in nature. And
00:21:44
when I finally learned that, I shared that with all of my
00:21:48
teachers and all of my mentors,
00:21:50
Stuart Tomc: now they're all using the zInzino products,
00:21:50
Unknown: and
00:21:53
Manon Bolliger: right? Well, it's, I mean, it's pretty
00:21:55
compelling, right? I'm thinking of another example, like reverse
00:21:58
osmosis, that was such a big thing. But if you don't add the
00:22:02
minerals, like it does all kinds of problems afterwards, you
00:22:06
know, it's like our cleanup crew. We so need that, because
00:22:10
we're so toxic from all the policies that are happening, you
00:22:16
know, and and it's we need to clean up, but we have to
00:22:20
replenish. We have to have something whole in the end. You
00:22:24
know, yes,
00:22:25
Stuart Tomc: no, we need the cofactors. And if I just just
00:22:27
one more slide, if you don't a couple more, please, yeah, don't
00:22:29
mind. I don't
00:22:30
Manon Bolliger: want to
00:22:30
Stuart Tomc: know. I get sometimes so excited about this.
00:22:33
But then people say to me, okay, great. This sounds really
00:22:35
clever. You showed me the map of all of the people that failed
00:22:40
the first test and passed the second test. I was one of them,
00:22:44
but please elucidate, show me a little bit more. So this great
00:22:47
paper and molecules, polyphenols and fish oil for improving
00:22:51
metabolic health. This is anyone can get access to this. It's
00:22:56
been reported that the combination like you find in the
00:23:00
balance oil of these nutraceuticals can lead to a
00:23:03
three fold increase in glutathione peroxidase activity,
00:23:06
as
00:23:06
well as a 50 to 200% attenuation of common inflammation
00:23:11
biomarkers as compared to their individual capacities. Now that
00:23:15
is powerful, but there is more. What about specifically on the
00:23:19
stability? How much more stable is it, not only in the bottle,
00:23:23
but in the human body? So here, this is what called the oil
00:23:26
stability index. So we compare balance oil on the right to cod
00:23:30
liver oil, concentrated Omega three and krill oil, and you see
00:23:34
how much more stable the balance oil is. I encourage anyone to
00:23:38
look up hydroxy tyrosol. I knew nothing, nothing about these
00:23:43
molecules. It also crosses the blood brain barrier. It is a
00:23:49
prebiotic and it also eats micro calcifications in your arteries.
00:23:54
Very few things do that. Maybe nattokinase,
00:23:56
Manon Bolliger: which one does? Sorry, the
00:23:58
Stuart Tomc: hydroxy tyrosol, okay, the main polyphenols,
00:24:02
Manon Bolliger: okay, okay,
00:24:03
Stuart Tomc: in the olive so when you put them together, as
00:24:07
you see in this paper, sustainably sourced olive
00:24:11
polyphenols and marine and Omega three marine lipids, a synergy
00:24:16
fostering public health. Look at the graphic abstract the fish
00:24:22
with the olive Wow, and look at what it says natural polyphenols
00:24:28
present in marine oils play an essential role in protecting
00:24:32
Omega three lipids from oxidation and auto oxidation,
00:24:36
ensuring that no pro inflammatory products are formed
00:24:39
after intake, as often happens with refined Omega three
00:24:44
concentrates, if you're taking highly purified fish oil, you
00:24:50
might be missing the boat. It's not the same as food.
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Stuart Tomc: and that's why I wasn't delivering,
00:26:07
Manon Bolliger: wow, yeah, that's a very eye opening. I
00:26:10
mean, I get it now to another level that when I read it. Thank
00:26:14
you so much. But it makes I mean, I'm a real foodie and a
00:26:18
food person, you know, so everything to go back to food,
00:26:23
you know? And I, honestly, I'm not a big supplements person. I
00:26:28
don't It's not that I don't believe in them. It's more that
00:26:33
I wish we didn't need them. I wish our Earth and our land and
00:26:38
our soil could provide and I wish the sun wasn't hiding and
00:26:43
and I wish our clouds were like puffy things like in the past.
00:26:46
And I have a lot of wishes.
00:26:49
Stuart Tomc: I agree with you completely there. I mean, a true
00:26:51
supplement should supplement the diet, but, and if someone ate
00:26:55
enough of these sardines, right? I just always use the sardines
00:26:58
because they're easy or enough wild caught salmon, and they
00:27:02
tested and they were two to one, three to one, or one to one, you
00:27:05
would have the absolute protection that omega three is
00:27:09
offering,
00:27:10
Manon Bolliger: yeah, yeah. And
00:27:11
Stuart Tomc: most people don't eat enough of the fish, and
00:27:14
that's why they do need the supplements,
00:27:16
Manon Bolliger: right? And then there's a limit to how much fish
00:27:18
without them causing toxicity because of the mercury, right?
00:27:23
Stuart Tomc: Well, it's very highly it's been highly debated.
00:27:26
The selenium that's naturally occurring in the marine food web
00:27:30
acts as a natural chelator, so that can help protect
00:27:34
Manon Bolliger: that also can, okay, right?
00:27:36
Stuart Tomc: So there are a few other things we would need,
00:27:38
right? In a healthy diet. Remember, in the marine food
00:27:41
web, we're going to have iodine, and there's a huge iodine
00:27:43
deficiency,
00:27:44
Manon Bolliger: correct
00:27:44
Stuart Tomc: You're going to need manganese, zinc, copper and
00:27:47
selenium for the antioxidant signaling system in the brain to
00:27:51
help protect Omega three. So those are all the things you
00:27:54
would get from the marine food web. However, balance oil is a
00:27:59
Mediterranean diet in a bottle,
00:28:01
Manon Bolliger: right, right, right. Okay, and
00:28:03
Stuart Tomc: that is exciting, because you could supplement
00:28:06
with a little bit of iodine or eat some fish and take some of
00:28:09
the other micronutrients in your food, and really be recreating
00:28:14
the Inuit diet in a bottle and the Mediterranean diet in a
00:28:18
bottle.
00:28:20
and so I think since most people aren't going to eat enough fish,
00:28:23
I'm very comfortable saying that this is probably going to be
00:28:26
more user friendly,
00:28:28
Manon Bolliger: right? Yeah, I would imagine, plus, it can
00:28:32
taste like lemon or something other than fish to those that
00:28:36
don't even like fish. You know, I had another question that came
00:28:40
to me here your thoughts on different forms of Omega three,
00:28:46
and if you could comment on ethyl, as in Ester, ethyl Ester,
00:28:52
triglyceride, and also ISO phosphadyl, choline bound omega
00:28:59
threes.
00:29:00
Stuart Tomc: Okay, great, great. So we're gonna go back to this
00:29:02
is such a great question. Thank you so much. Okay, so let's go
00:29:05
back to this slide here for a minute. So when they want to
00:29:10
really concentrate the amount of EPA and DHA in fish, the average
00:29:18
in sardines and anchovies, we call it 1812 18 EPA, 12 DHA, so
00:29:24
there's a little bit more EPA than DHA. Cod Liver Oil is
00:29:27
different because when it's colder, when the water is
00:29:30
colder, there's a little bit more DHA. So when it's in the
00:29:34
natural triglyceride form, it has not been broken apart and
00:29:40
then re esterified. So let's go step by step. When you break it
00:29:45
apart to concentrate it, you make something called an ethyl
00:29:49
ester. You break the natural glycerin backbone. It's like a
00:29:53
letter E, and you attach the omegas to an ethanol now that
00:29:57
doesn't exist in nature.
00:29:59
Manon Bolliger: Mm.
00:30:00
Stuart Tomc: It melts Styrofoam. Doesn't mean it has adverse
00:30:03
biological activity. The two FDA approved drugs, actually the
00:30:09
three, the two approved in here, and I believe Health Canada and
00:30:13
one in Japan are ethyl esters, because to concentrate pure EPA
00:30:18
and pure DHA, or pure EPA. It doesn't swim around in nature
00:30:22
like that. Now, the lay person often says, Well, it's the
00:30:27
pharma one. It has to be bad. I'm sorry, the who has a list of
00:30:32
life saving drugs, and they do have a role in medicine, and
00:30:36
there are now standard of care. So there is lovasa, which is EPA
00:30:40
and DHA to lower triglycerides, and the newer one is called
00:30:44
vascepa, pure EPA, used on top of standard of care, lowers
00:30:49
major adverse coronary events by 25% it was just added to the
00:30:53
American Heart Association's list for residual risk. So when
00:30:58
someone says to me, they're ethylesters, they don't work.
00:31:02
They're not reading, okay, they're they're ill informed.
00:31:05
However, a lot of us prefer natural and so when you use
00:31:09
something like balanced soil, we don't break it apart, attach it
00:31:14
to an ethanol molecule, or re esterify it, like Nordic
00:31:19
Naturals does. That's called a re esterified triglyceride. And
00:31:23
then there's a debate is, if the DHA is in the SN two position,
00:31:28
does it really mimic nature? Then there are all of these new
00:31:33
ones. You talked about the new DHA bound, right? They've got to
00:31:37
be bound to phospholipids. You see all of this marketing. Well,
00:31:41
here's what I love about this test. Is it all comes out in the
00:31:46
red blood cell. Everything comes out in the red blood cell. So
00:31:51
everyone's arguing about my mouse trap is better than your
00:31:55
mouse trap. This red blood cell test is going to capture there's
00:32:00
the fats we eat, the fats we make from de novo lipogenesis,
00:32:05
and then there's the supplements that we're taking at the end of
00:32:08
the day, whether it's an ethyl Ester, a triglyceride, a re
00:32:12
esterified triglyceride, a phospholipid bound DHA or krill
00:32:16
oil, your goal is to get 8% or More of Omega three in the red
00:32:21
blood cell, and to get a balance between omega six and Omega
00:32:25
three, of three to one, two to one or one to one. That's why
00:32:28
the test has the power. I don't like the marketing personally,
00:32:35
because I feel like they just I'm an you know, you're
00:32:38
Canadian, I'm an ad busters follower. I don't know if you
00:32:40
ever read, but I just can't stand marketing and advertising,
00:32:44
Manon Bolliger: and
00:32:45
Stuart Tomc: at the end of the day, the tissue is the issue.
00:32:48
And this captures,
00:32:49
Manon Bolliger: yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I mean, I, I'm also
00:32:54
allergic to that, which is, you know, which I find myself in a
00:32:58
strange predicament, actually loving a product and believing
00:33:04
that it really is what people should be taking and then
00:33:08
letting them know about it, and then finding, well, let me just
00:33:12
address the, whatever they call it, the the elephant in the
00:33:15
room, right? Is this, this idea that there's a membership,
00:33:21
right? So I just want to and please correct me if I haven't
00:33:24
seen it the right way. Okay? And so the way to understand it is,
00:33:29
in order to well, you can just buy it. You can buy the test
00:33:33
separately. You can buy the product separately. You can do
00:33:36
anything you want separately. There. You don't have to be in a
00:33:38
membership at all, but there's a cost advantage that if you do
00:33:45
join a membership, which you are basically you manage that
00:33:50
membership completely on your own. So it's not like you have
00:33:54
to do these endless emails. Please take me off. Please
00:33:58
refund me last month. Please, whatever all that you do your
00:34:01
own management. And the reason it's set up, in my
00:34:06
understanding, is six months is because the first month the
00:34:11
company gives you the test, and basically, for the same price,
00:34:16
throws in the product. That way, you test yourself if you happen
00:34:22
to be all green and you like what you're doing. And then,
00:34:27
let's say, Enough sardines, and everything's working out. You
00:34:30
just stop it, and that's it. And they actually refund you if you
00:34:36
are another color. And you decide, You know what, I'll test
00:34:40
this product out, you can continue, and at the five month
00:34:45
mark, zinzino sends you for free, another test, and this way
00:34:52
they get a database on again. It's anonymous, but they can see
00:34:57
that their products work. You. You can see that the product
00:35:01
works. And then you choose, at that point, you're, you're all
00:35:05
good, or you choose this product works, I like it. I'm just going
00:35:10
to stay on it because it's working for me. And by then
00:35:13
you've, you're past the 120 days. Your body is actually
00:35:17
noticeably different. You feel, you know, if you had
00:35:21
inflammation, it's less than it was. And also, like brain fog,
00:35:26
like if it, if it does cross the blood brain barrier, then it
00:35:31
would help with cognition and all those things, would it not?
00:35:35
I have
00:35:35
you
00:35:35
Stuart Tomc: are so you are so spot on. And I want to address
00:35:38
this whole thing. I thought it would. I'd be remiss if I didn't
00:35:41
quickly show what the results look like as I respond to your
00:35:45
comments.
00:35:46
Manon Bolliger: Sure
00:35:47
Stuart Tomc: if you just look at how easy this is for the patient
00:35:50
to understand, unbalanced. Okay, look at the Omega three index,
00:35:57
insufficient if you are fortunate enough, and I've seen
00:36:00
people that scored like this on their first
00:36:04
Manon Bolliger: test.
00:36:05
Stuart Tomc: You're balanced and you have an optimal Omega three
00:36:08
index. The customer gets all of their money back, and they get
00:36:13
to keep the oil. Now this is what I find so fascinating.
00:36:16
There's a doctor in Canada that has over 200 patients that have
00:36:21
been taken the test, the before and after test, he's mimicked
00:36:26
the results that about 95% of people fail, but the 5% of
00:36:30
people that pass, they just decided to stay on the oil
00:36:34
anyway, because you have to stay in balance
00:36:36
Unknown: right
00:36:37
Stuart Tomc: polyphenols. They report that their guts feel
00:36:41
better, their digestion is better, their cognition is
00:36:44
better. They're just better. They're getting improved benefit
00:36:47
over time. Now let's address the elephant in the room. Price is
00:36:52
everything. Market efficiency has changed everything. That's
00:36:56
why I'm no longer working with a retail brand, because when you
00:37:01
you think about being gouged, go to the store shelf.
00:37:05
Unknown: People
00:37:06
Stuart Tomc: don't appreciate that $100 product on the shelf
00:37:09
is $50 wholesale, the master distributor price is 25% off.
00:37:14
The broker, she gets 10% the store owner asks for a free
00:37:18
fill. Then there's Co Op advertising. What zinzino
00:37:22
figured out. They call it Scandinavian kitchen table
00:37:25
medicine. I love it, where you take the test in the privacy of
00:37:30
your own home, and then the highest quality product is sent
00:37:33
to your front door. This is twice as good as Nordic and half
00:37:36
the price you get to manage your entire subscription. I've never
00:37:41
seen anything like this. Every customer gets their own website,
00:37:46
their own website. They can click on their subscription, add
00:37:50
and subtract at any time you need to call anybody or email
00:37:53
anybody. Every dollar of shipping gets refunded back to
00:37:57
the patient,
00:37:57
Manon Bolliger: right? I heard Yeah.
00:37:59
Stuart Tomc: After their seventh order, they get 10% on top of
00:38:02
the shipping. They can use all of those reward dollars to try
00:38:06
other products, and they can forward the link to their cloned
00:38:11
website. This is so Norwegian. This is so cool. They send the
00:38:15
link of their cloned website to their friends, and then they can
00:38:19
earn their products for free,
00:38:21
Manon Bolliger: right to
00:38:21
Stuart Tomc: a little game. So if you really look at market
00:38:24
efficiency,
00:38:26
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:38:26
Stuart Tomc: I think if you were to ask younger people, they're
00:38:31
okay with subscription,
00:38:33
Manon Bolliger: well, I it makes sense, you know? I think, like I
00:38:36
see the sense and that it's, it's who you decide to pay. You
00:38:40
know, you can do Facebook ads and and help facebook get
00:38:45
bigger, or you can use other methods as well. Like we all
00:38:49
like this. Yes, exactly. This
00:38:51
Stuart Tomc: is our volunteer army. That's right. This is
00:38:54
interesting. We did as much business with zinzino last year
00:38:57
as Nordic Naturals did. So they spent millions and millions and
00:39:02
millions on branding and advertising. And what did we do?
00:39:05
We had a volunteer army where somebody tests and then it turns
00:39:09
into a game. This is my favorite part. They might not change
00:39:12
their diet on the first test, but when they get green on that
00:39:16
second test
00:39:18
Manon Bolliger: and they're sticking with it, well,
00:39:20
Stuart Tomc: the patient compliance, and that was the
00:39:22
rate limiting factor in your whole life. All my friends are
00:39:25
doctors and naturopaths, osteopaths, PhDs and physicians.
00:39:29
Isn't it hard to get people to do something
00:39:36
Manon Bolliger: okay, even
00:39:36
Stuart Tomc: if they know they should. They love you.
00:39:38
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. You know, our time is almost up, but I
00:39:41
really do want one of the other things I'm excited about the
00:39:45
company itself is how innovative it is and how many new tests.
00:39:51
Now, I know in Canada, we have our own regulations, which maybe
00:39:56
we won't shortly, but anyway, the. A gut test, like you're
00:40:01
doing other things that. And again, this goes under my real
00:40:06
belief that we need to be in charge of our own health, and
00:40:12
not to, you know, give it to the into the hands of experts that
00:40:16
are maybe experts, maybe not, maybe paid, maybe this, maybe
00:40:19
that. You know, we have to look at all this, but we need to be
00:40:22
in charge of it. So I love that you're having this gut test. Can
00:40:28
you tell us just a little bit what's coming and what else is
00:40:31
available for health sovereignty?
00:40:35
Stuart Tomc: Okay, I'll go through this quickly, because
00:40:37
we've got quite a few slides to show you, but I think it'll be
00:40:40
worth it. I'll go through it quick. One of the other
00:40:42
advantages of getting back into balance is it will shift the
00:40:46
metabolism of the amino acid tryptophan from the pro
00:40:50
inflammatory pathway to the indole pathway, which is where
00:40:54
your microbes in the gut metabolize the tryptophan, and
00:40:59
you can measure it in the blood. Now for the first time, thanks
00:41:03
to zenzino. Now we built this in house. We didn't create the
00:41:07
Omega three index that was born in 2004 we bought zenzino,
00:41:12
bought the balance concept, and we brought it all over the
00:41:15
world. This is our Eureka contribution to the world. So no
00:41:20
longer a stool sample. If you're measuring lipopolysaccharides or
00:41:24
Zonulin, you're looking at what's in the stool. There's
00:41:26
some information. This is showing the functional output.
00:41:29
So for any of your viewers that would like a deeper dive, great
00:41:33
article, Cassandra, stern interviews, Dr Maria torrensen
00:41:37
on our team, how we're betting big on blood for gut health. And
00:41:41
we coined the term the gut health index.
00:41:44
You've
00:41:44
heard of the Omega three index. We coined the term the gut
00:41:47
health index. You don't need to understand quinolinic acid, the
00:41:51
chiurinine pathway, indole three, propriotic acid. Most
00:41:54
people won't. What you need to know is you need a high gut
00:41:57
index, not a low gut health index, IPA to the right, that's
00:42:03
the signal. It is a signal that your bacteria. It's a specific
00:42:09
bugs or chlorostridium sporogenus, and it also goes
00:42:13
back up through the blood brain barrier, and it scavenges free
00:42:16
radicals in your brain. It also is a light ligand for these
00:42:20
targets that help to tighten up these loose junctions. So if you
00:42:24
have high levels of IPA in the blood, it's a single microbial
00:42:28
balance and epithelial resilience. Some have said,
00:42:31
leaky gut, leaky brain. You don't want everything leaking
00:42:34
through there with the increased permeability. This is what you
00:42:37
want, is a high gut health index with a high level of IPA, and so
00:42:42
this is the forefront of health sovereignty. If you knew your
00:42:47
omega six, three balance and your gut health index, that
00:42:53
would that you're covering cellular health and gut health
00:42:56
and all the clinicians that are listening too, you can track to
00:43:00
see if what your patients are doing is actually working.
00:43:03
Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
00:43:04
Stuart Tomc: the gut health test before take it after. If you
00:43:06
fail, it usually means you need more fermented foods. You need
00:43:10
more prebiotic fiber. You have too much stress, you're out of
00:43:15
balance, and you're shifting all the tryptophan to the chiurinine
00:43:19
pathway. So once you're healthy, you've got good microbiota, a
00:43:22
good jungle down there, and not too much stress, then you have a
00:43:26
higher score. I love what zinzino is doing to put health,
00:43:29
power and sovereignty back in our hands.
00:43:33
Manon Bolliger: Okay, but I have more questions. We're gonna have
00:43:35
to do another one, but I think we'll leave it if you're fine
00:43:39
with it today, like this. I also want to talk about for
00:43:43
practitioners, you know. But let's, let's, yeah, because I
00:43:48
just see this product as or the team as, wanting to get the word
00:43:56
out to oh, they're
00:43:58
Stuart Tomc: going to be the biggest preventive health
00:43:59
company in the world, the biggest preventive health
00:44:02
company in the world. This is not about commerce. This is how
00:44:05
we're going to change the world when we come back next time I
00:44:09
worked with the guy that tried to do it at the Pentagon, he
00:44:12
couldn't get them to test we'll talk about that next episode. We
00:44:15
tried to do it at Nordic Naturals. This is the volunteer
00:44:19
army that we've been looking for our whole lives. Yeah, I'm so
00:44:23
honored to get to meet you today.
00:44:24
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming and
00:44:28
sharing all this. I think it'll be greatly appreciated. Thank
00:44:32
you
00:44:32
Stuart Tomc: so much.
00:44:38
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