In this episode of The Healers Café, Manon Bolliger, FCAH, RBHT (facilitator and retired naturopath with 30+ years of practice) speaks with Vita Oyler, a rehabilitation counselor, shared her journey with chronic pain due to reflex sympathetic dystrophy (RSD) following a running accident. She emphasized avoiding inflammatory foods and medications, focusing on positive mindset, and setting realistic goals. Vita's pain management included natural supplements like malic acid and magnesium, and maintaining a positive outlook through faith and laughter. She highlighted the importance of gratitude and small achievements in managing chronic pain.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/vita-oyler
Highlights from today's episode include:
Vita explains to focus on what you can do: set tiny daily goals and celebrate them to make pain more livable.
Vita says to reduce inflammation with food, supplements, stress reduction, and laughter to lessen chronic pain.
Manon explains even with "incurable" labels, staying open and believing in possibilities keeps the door to healing and new solutions alive.
ABOUT VITA OYLER, M.S.Vita is a Rehabilitation Counselor who works with clients that suffered with either acute or chronic pain. She gained recognition as being a counselor who fully understands pain and how to help others that have painful conditions as well. Vita has been active in her community, and has been an active board member of many organizations. She was drawn into getting people with disabilities back to work and/or living independently. She has appeared on many television shows speaking about disability and chronic pain. She has given many seminars about chronic pain. She's worked with employers in finding creative ways of returning injured workers back to their jobs and/or finding alternative jobs. She established the first Chronic Pain Support Group in her country for those suffering chronic pain, including families and other caregivers. She herself received her country's Employee of the Year Award and was commended by country council members, congress members, senators and other state officials. Vita has never let her pain interfere with her vocation and family. She says it's about setting goals, earning right and learning to enjoy life again. Let Vita inspire you to live a happier and healthier life in spite of pain.
ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: 'What Patients Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship' and 'A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress'. and What if Your Body is Smarter than You Think? I am the Founder & CEO of The Bowen College Inc. which teaches BowenFirst™ Therapy and holds transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENing to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience".
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the number one
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show for medical practitioners and holistic healers to have
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heart-to-heart conversations about their day-to-day lives,
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while sharing their expertise for improving your health and
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wellness.
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Welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have with me Vita Oiler,
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and we're going to talk about chronic pain. Basically, she is
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a rehabilitation counselor who worked with clients that
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suffered with either acute or chronic pain, and she's been
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well recognized in all kinds of different venues. I'm not going
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to go through them all. You have a book out. Maybe we'll just
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start with well, welcome, and why don't you tell us a little
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bit about your journey?
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Vita Oyler: Oh gosh, thank you. Honestly, thank you for having
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me on your show.
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Manon Bolliger: It's a pleasure.
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Vita Oyler: Yeah, but you know, I've I've had chronic pain after
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I developed a condition known as reflex sympathetic dystrophy, or
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CREPS, which is chronic regional pain syndrome, and it was after
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a running accident, and I, you know, damaged my foot by
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stepping on a rock. Had it casted while it was casted,
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developed this this condition, and the doctors back then really
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didn't know how to treat it, and I was I went through so many
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medical treatments in order to get the pain under control. The
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doctor at the time told me that this this pain condition that I
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developed was diagnosed during the Civil War, and it was
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probably under the umbrella of causality back then. But they
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had no way of treating that pain, and it really kind of left
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me dumbfounded because I, you know, I I was young, I was
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active, and I had gotten married, and I had my whole life
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ahead of me with doing other things besides just being in
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this terrible pain. And not only was it painful, but it
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developed, you know, circulatory problems. You know, I ended up
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after years of trying to fix my foot. I ended up with an
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amputation because it got gangrenous, and I went through
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two amputations in my journey, and but prior to that, I wanted
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to move on with my life. I mean, I was isolated, I was depressed,
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and I do not want to live on pain medications. No way, no
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way. And but I don't know. My journey took me to finding other
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alternatives, and I, you know, being in rehab myself, rehab
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counseling, I realized that you know you have to you have to
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move on. You have to move. You have to move, and I developed
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this attitude where I had a positive mind attitude where I
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was going to move on, and how was I going to do that? Well, I
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did it by focusing on things that I knew that I could do,
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realistic goals. I looked at alternative foods. I looked at
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supplementations. I had to find something, and I, you know, my
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mind was made up. There was not going to be any pain medication.
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I, you know, I didn't like feeling like a, I don't know
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what a zombie feels like, but I didn't want to, I didn't want to
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live like that, and so my journey took me into exploring
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alternatives and finding being positive, finding laughter and
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joy because, as being a doctor, you know that it does relieve
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the good endorphins when you're
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Manon Bolliger: actually.
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Vita Oyler: Yeah, when you're happy
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Manon Bolliger: and you have to believe it, right? You have to
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believe it. Yeah. So, but what what made you so like against or
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clear that you didn't want pain meds
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Vita Oyler: when just feeling the way I was feeling made it
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clear. All
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Manon Bolliger: right, I
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Vita Oyler: could not concentrate.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
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Vita Oyler: I, you know, it affected my digestive system.
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Yeah, that made the side effects for me. Yeah, side
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Manon Bolliger: effects. And and did you actually get any pain
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relief from them yourself? No. Okay. No. Yeah. Yeah. It was
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just
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Vita Oyler: it was just causing me to be goofy, if you want.
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Right. And side effects. You know. No. I. I. I wasn't getting
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any relief from the RSD, and that's why I've just said no.
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There's got to be other alternatives to this. I can't,
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you know. I'm going to move on.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, but I think it's it's if you have a
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clear experience with it, you know, because I know my my
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husband is in chronic pain, and people are constantly saying,
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"Well, have you done painkillers? You know, like as
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if they always work, or as if you can tolerate their side
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effects. You know, and it's like not going down that path. You
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know, so
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Vita Oyler: exactly, you know, and
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Manon Bolliger: then you're clear, and then then I think
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it's more motivating to look for alternatives, but well, what did
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you find that that worked? I mean, besides having the
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attitude of like, okay, this door is not going to reopen. We
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got to find another one. Besides the search, what what has helped
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you
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Vita Oyler: as far as me moving
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Manon Bolliger: on, what
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Vita Oyler: what's helped me to tell you the truth is my faith.
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I have faith. The avoid for me avoiding anything that caused
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inflammation in my body, because I found that if I ate certain
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things, you know, it inflamed the pain more. So I looked at
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alternatives. In fact, my family got so involved that my husband
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decided to open up a natural food store. Wow! So I would eat
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the good stuff, but but we you know but I got into that, and
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then I also started focusing on things that I you know that I
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knew that I could do because you know sometimes when you have the
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pain, you give up on doing things, so I started going.
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Well, no, start doing stuff like, and they work. Things that
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I could do, like, okay, today I'm gonna make the bed. I'm not
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gonna fly to the moon, but I'm gonna make the bed, and I'm
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going to find things that I could do, and then pat myself on
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the shoulder after I did that, which was an enforcement, and it
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works for my clients too. You know, finding things that you
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could could do and not giving up, but I, you know, but food
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and and and laughter, laughter. I I really emphasize that
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because when you just crack a little smile, you're releasing
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that good hormone. You know, if you can't, if you do anything,
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watch a segment of I Love Lucy or something that is just kind
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of out there, and you know, just to get a little smile, or like I
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tell people, look outside your window, and you might see a
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beautiful butterfly, or or a beautiful bird, or something
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that might trigger that little smile for you, which helps,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Vita Oyler: You know, but I'm so, you know, I and and to think
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positively, you know, you got to be positive too, and when you're
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doing this, but I don't know, you know, there there's a whole
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regimen of things that you can do to make the pain. I I I call
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it camouflage the pain. So I I, you know, does I still have RSD?
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It doesn't change that, but I sure live the life that I want
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to live, and I. Call it successful, and successful. I
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don't mean by it's monetary. I mean successful in my life,
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Manon Bolliger: right? So it hasn't stopped you from doing or
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the things you want to do. I mean within a limit, but I mean
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Vita Oyler: yeah, within my means
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Manon Bolliger: exactly your life,
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Vita Oyler: yeah, yeah, and it's not living just in the dark. I
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mean, I I've seen it with so many clients that just live in
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the dark, and and you know, just I can't do this, and with you
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know the word I can't, I can't. Instead of use the word that I
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can do that and be more positive. Okay, I can't go
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running. I can't jog anymore or run, but you know that it that
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doesn't bother me. I can do this, right? You have to have a
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mindset.
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Manon Bolliger: So how do you get that mindset if a person
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doesn't have that mindset?
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Vita Oyler: Mindset. You have to start. I I do it by starting off
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with the I can's, the mindset, my goals. You have to start with
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little goals, like I say, you know, because then you can see
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it. You write it down, and then like today, I or or make it for
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tomorrow or whatever. I'm going to make the bed, or I'm going to
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get up and brush my teeth, and you know, feel better about
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myself, and then you look at your little list in the morning,
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and then if it works, check it off. And if you don't complete
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it completely, that's okay. You attempted that and pat yourself
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on the shoulder and move on again. It's through positive
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reinforcement that you're giving yourself, really. You know, you
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know. But it's important that you that a person with pain, you
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know, you achieve these little goals because it makes you feel
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better and it makes that pain Livable, because when my doctor
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said, "Vita, you're just going to have to learn how to live
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with pain. How do you do that? How do you live with pain? But
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there are ways to do that, and I've got you know this you know
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about RSD, and there's no cure for it, and it really hurts. And
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but you know, I I'm doing fine. I and it's not. I had a doctor,
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by the way, that called me Vita Scripts, and he said, Vita,
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you're the best queen of denial I've ever
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Manon Bolliger: known. Yeah, yeah. Well, what actually? What
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do you think about denial? You know, because I mean, you know,
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they say, for example, like with cancer, that if you're in
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denial, the chances of survival are actually higher
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positive thinkers. You know, and I'm thinking, okay, what is it?
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Is it about not engaging, like, like in other words, with pain?
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I mean, it. The more you focus on it, the more intense it
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becomes because that's where your attention is, and that's
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how we're that's how we're made,
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Vita Oyler: right Right.
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Manon Bolliger: But how how do you work with denial, or do you
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and and it could be reframed another way. There's other
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words. Denial has certain connotations.
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Vita Oyler: Connotations, yeah. Oh no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. No,
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yeah. I I think well, like like Dr. Sternbach at that time he
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said you're the queen of denial, but he meant it in a good way,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Vita Oyler: You know, he knew I knew that I had a a condition
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that wasn't going to go away. I knew that I had to live a you
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know live a certain way because of it, but I found ways to move
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on in spite of it. Is if that makes sense, and and so you're
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not really in a denial state, and you've accepted that I have
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pain, but I can overcome. I can overcome it. I could do this.
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That's how I mean. It's kind of like together.
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Manon Bolliger: But so what? What did like? And I know it's
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purely subjective. But out of 10,
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Vita Oyler: yeah,
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Manon Bolliger: in the kind of low. Times of pain. What what is
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it out of 10, and when it acts up, maybe when you're more
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inflamed or whatever. What what are the numbers that you're
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Vita Oyler: yeah
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Manon Bolliger: you're dealing with? And I know it's
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subjective, so oh
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Vita Oyler: god, I get a 10 when I'm totally if I'm stressed on
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something total on one. we're when I'm going through some
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things and I get the pain, I could really feel it.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah. And
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Vita Oyler: then I also, so you know, and when I'm when I relax
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more because I I think that's really important to to you know
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to meditate to let it go to to you know you have to do that too
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and you could do that I tell everybody you know I have people
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well how do you do that well you could do it through if you're a
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person of prayer, you could do it through prayer. If you're a
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person of yoga, you could do it through yoga. You could do it
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through mindfulness, being here and now to bring down that
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stress level, and I think that that helps me to bring down that
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level.
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Vita Oyler: And I we went through some medical issues not
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too long ago, so that you know it wasn't mine,
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Manon Bolliger: and
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Vita Oyler: it really, you know, it did increase that pain. And
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then I also realized, Vita, stay away from the sugars, you know,
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and stay away from the things that are causing more of the
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inflammation. I believe that when we're inflamed,
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Manon Bolliger: to
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Vita Oyler: try try and avoid the foods that cause that
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inflammation.
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Manon Bolliger: So, is part of your supplementation taking
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natural anti-inflammatories, or is it just mostly you're
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avoiding eating them in the first place?
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Vita Oyler: I'm more would I take, I take for me for for the
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RSD. I'll take like malic magnesium, malic acid magnesium,
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you know, and then I do the the vitamin D, and then I take some
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oils, because I think overall they're they're good for me,
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Manon Bolliger: yeah.
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Vita Oyler: But then a lot a lot of it too is is I I eat I try
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and eat well. I mean I really do, and I don't mean going out
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and smorgasbord type well. I mean, but
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Manon Bolliger: try
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Vita Oyler: and avoid that. You know, the foods that I know that
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cause the the inflammation. I go, no, I don't need that. So,
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so that to me that that helps, and that helps people that I
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work with as well
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Manon Bolliger: when
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Vita Oyler: they're going through it, I had just I had an
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incident where a doctor that I was seeing at a pain clinic, he
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he actually came into our store because I was telling him he
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didn't know that we had a store, and he came into our store and
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said, "I'm looking for malic acid, magnesium, because it
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helps one of my patients. I was afraid to go out. Yeah, that's
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doctor.
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Manon Bolliger: Do your own research. You know that just
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shows how you know the. The current system is really not up
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to date for either healing or they say they they're for
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management, but it's very it's very pharmaceutical management.
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It's not even health management. It's not you know no
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Vita Oyler: through the pharmacies. Now
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Manon Bolliger: have you have you heard of med beds? Med med
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beds?
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Vita Oyler: No, I have not.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay, they're apparently part of the new
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technology that is in the process of being unsuppressed
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because it was kept, you know, for economic reasons by, you
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know, the money trails you can follow. Oh
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Vita Oyler: yeah, of course, but of course,
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Manon Bolliger: like the pharmaceuticals, like all that
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stuff, you know. But apparently, they have been in use by the
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military and by the Alliance, and it looks like they can do
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absolute wonders to all kinds of conditions. That's
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Vita Oyler: wonderful. Yeah.
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Manon Bolliger: So keep your eyes open for that,
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Vita Oyler: boy. No kidding. We definitely will for that.
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Manon Bolliger: Where do you live?
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Vita Oyler: I live in Cal. I live in California.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay, so you'll be one the last to hear. It's
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like China.
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Vita Oyler: You're up in Canada.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
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Vita Oyler: yeah, that's where my relatives are.
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Manon Bolliger: We know nothing unless you really search for
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things, you know, because everything's banned and you're
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not allowed to have opinions, and you know, we're we're we
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live in interesting times, but do have a look for those because
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they are, and don't go for any of the ones where you're charged
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for a treatment.
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Vita Oyler: Really,
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Manon Bolliger: it's going to roll out as completely free, and
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that should be very soon.
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Vita Oyler: Wow! So it's coming out probably.
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Manon Bolliger: I would say probably within a week to 10
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days. That soon. That
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Vita Oyler: is awesome. But I mean,
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Manon Bolliger: by the time they're in all the hospitals and
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you know, there's enough.
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Vita Oyler: Awesome. It
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Manon Bolliger: could be up to three months, depending where
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you live. You know, but
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Vita Oyler: yeah. Well, it's awesome because you can
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Manon Bolliger: travel. Yeah, thank you for that. Because I,
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you know, I've not really seen incurable diseases, you know, in
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my practice, the names. Yes, I can recognize what you know,
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modern or whatever you want to pharmaceutical medicine will
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say, you know. And then I know that some, I mean, like they
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say, MS is not curable. Well, that's not true, you know. They
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say cancer is not curable. Well, that's not true, you know.
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Vita Oyler: True.
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Manon Bolliger: And you know, and I haven't had enough
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experience, you know, with with your condition to say, oh, it's
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curable, but I can't see why things are not.
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Vita Oyler: I know, right?
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Manon Bolliger: So I always have that sense that I may not know
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the method yet, or there's something you know it's out
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there, right? So, so that's how I've always felt, which keeps me
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positive, you know. And I think that helped with my patients.
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You could say, "Oh, that's like just wishful thinking, but no,
00:23:39
if you really believe it, then you're opening that field of
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possibilities. I agree
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with you.
00:23:48
Vita Oyler: Agree with you, 100% Yeah, it's it's it's when you
00:23:54
know because when you're out there and then people say it's
00:23:59
oh, there's no cure for it. You you you become it's negative. Of
00:24:04
Manon Bolliger: course, you
00:24:05
Vita Oyler: don't you don't have that hope anymore. No, I see
00:24:09
that, and it's like you know I I I believe that there's there's
00:24:15
hope. There's always hope. Don't give up on hope,
00:24:18
Manon Bolliger: right? And we don't know, you know all the
00:24:22
magic of how we're made. You know we don't, we really don't
00:24:26
understand. I mean, you know they're calling the part of DNA
00:24:29
they don't they don't understand as junk DNA. You know what a
00:24:33
funny name. Yeah, for a bigger part than the DNA. They do. They
00:24:42
Vita Oyler: yeah yeah do.
00:24:42
Manon Bolliger: do understand you know so it's like you know
00:24:47
fascia has just become a thing in the last what 20 years maybe
00:24:51
30 you know like so much is not known right so how and and in a
00:24:57
society not based on heal. And really suppressed healing. You
00:25:03
know, many. If you look at our history, much of the great
00:25:08
modalities of of healing suppressed
00:25:12
Vita Oyler: modalities. Yeah, I think sometimes a lot of the
00:25:17
they're kind of some of the treatments are kind of archaic.
00:25:21
I think sometimes it's just like you know. Look at there's bitter
00:25:26
things. I've heard of things going on in Europe that are, you
00:25:31
know, doing doing better than we are actually
00:25:35
in in that. And and I have some cousins that are doctors up in
00:25:42
in Europe, and they're saying, "Oh, Dita, why don't you come
00:25:45
out here and you know maybe we'll find a cure. Okay, but I'm
00:25:52
okay right now. Thank you.
00:25:55
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. No, it's quite a quite a journey. Yeah. I
00:26:01
Vita Oyler: no I. for me though, I'm you know I know I I I just
00:26:06
want to help others like you. You're you're doing fabulous
00:26:10
work, and and we need people like you, you know, to to help
00:26:17
us to help.
00:26:18
Manon Bolliger: It's the community. Yeah,
00:26:20
Commercial Break: huh?
00:26:23
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. No. I think it it it also helps to
00:26:26
talk about it, you know, which is why I'm doing the, you know,
00:26:31
the podcast and you know what are what are people's true
00:26:34
experiences, you know.
00:26:36
Vita Oyler: Yeah. Is
00:26:37
Manon Bolliger: you know what can be done or what's the next
00:26:39
step? Like you know, you you mentioned maybe three times, you
00:26:43
know, pat yourself on the shoulder or the back or whatever
00:26:46
the expression is in English, but the idea is acknowledge what
00:26:51
you can do, can do it, because we're not really brought up that
00:26:58
way, you know. So and then they say I don't know 90% of our
00:27:03
thoughts are negative. I don't know what what study that is,
00:27:07
but whatever. Like
00:27:09
Vita Oyler: yeah, you know, ignore them. Yeah, and I see it.
00:27:14
You know how we how we speak and and and not just with pain. It's
00:27:20
just I can't. I hear that, and I go, you know, people just they I
00:27:27
can't, I can't do that, or I won't. Right, you know, I can't
00:27:31
do that. I I don't want to do that, or why not? I mean, that's
00:27:37
not what makes you want to say that, or you know, I don't ask
00:27:41
why because of why you'll never get an answer.
00:27:45
Manon Bolliger: No, no, and I think too the other is sort of
00:27:48
the connection with their body. It's like you found what worked
00:27:54
for you through a series of testing this and that, and that
00:27:58
didn't work, and that didn't feel right, or you know, and
00:28:01
it's the same. At least how I see positivity, it's not
00:28:06
necessarily the thought, right? It's um, it it can just be the
00:28:12
hormone. Like I'm in the habit of of smiling as I as I see the
00:28:19
universe, and I can't help but everything feels really friendly
00:28:24
or beautiful. I'm just like you. That's why I was going. Oh, I
00:28:27
just I love her smile and everything. But but that
00:28:32
actually feels good, right? And and then you're not making it
00:28:37
up. You're just the way you're connecting.
00:28:41
Vita Oyler: That's right,
00:28:42
Manon Bolliger: right, and and so people have a hard time
00:28:45
thinking. Oh, I got to think positive. I don't think at all.
00:28:48
You know,
00:28:49
Vita Oyler: no. You know, it just comes naturally. You know,
00:28:53
you look at things, and people have asked. You know, they have
00:28:57
asked. Well, why are you so positive? Because that's the way
00:29:03
it is. No, but you know, you but you can you can work at some
00:29:09
things like in counseling. You know, look at things for people
00:29:14
people that I work with and even our support groups. You know, I
00:29:19
hear the can I can't do that, or it didn't work for me. Well, you
00:29:25
know, let's change that that vocabulary. Okay, find something
00:29:30
that you can do. Pat yourself on the shoulder, on your head. Do
00:29:37
something positive for yourself. Well, I don't have anything
00:29:40
positive? Okay, we're going to talk about this. Yeah,
00:29:47
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:29:47
Vita Oyler: yeah. I agree. But
00:29:48
Manon Bolliger: it does. It comes to like a lot of it to
00:29:51
appreciation, right?
00:29:52
Vita Oyler: Appreciation, being great,
00:29:55
Manon Bolliger: being grateful. Yeah,
00:29:56
Vita Oyler: that's what I always tell people. Yeah. Be grateful.
00:30:00
I mean, be grateful.
00:30:03
Manon Bolliger: I mean,
00:30:03
Vita Oyler: look at what you've done, or what you're doing, or
00:30:06
what you have.
00:30:08
Manon Bolliger: Right.
00:30:08
Vita Oyler: Be grateful for that.
00:30:10
Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
00:30:10
Vita Oyler: You know what? That's going to bring a smile to
00:30:13
you. That's going to make that positivity
00:30:18
Manon Bolliger: right
00:30:18
Vita Oyler: grow with you. But
00:30:19
Manon Bolliger: that-that's the physiological takeover, right?
00:30:22
That's when the that's when the hormones kick in.
00:30:25
Vita Oyler: That's right,
00:30:26
Manon Bolliger: and then you don't have to think about it.
00:30:28
You just have no.
00:30:29
Vita Oyler: You just do
00:30:31
Manon Bolliger: it exactly. Anyway, we're our time's up.
00:30:36
Just I'm going to leave you with the the last words, maybe the
00:30:39
title of your book or how people can reach you.
00:30:42
Vita Oyler: Oh yeah, gosh, thank you. The book is called "Got
00:30:46
Pain Now What, and it's a journey through living with
00:30:51
chronic pain, and it could get a hold of me at navigating through
00:30:56
pain. And I have Another website, actually, now it's just
00:31:03
being set up, and it's called gentlestepsforward.com. So you
00:31:09
know, they could always leave a little message, and or you know,
00:31:13
you could email me at the navigating through
00:31:16
pain@icloud.com.
00:31:21
Manon Bolliger: Okay.
00:31:21
Vita Oyler: Yeah.
00:31:22
Manon Bolliger: Great. Well, thank you very much for sharing
00:31:24
your. Oh my
00:31:25
Vita Oyler: gosh! Thank you so very much. I'm very grateful to
00:31:29
have met
00:31:29
Manon Bolliger: you. Well, it takes a village. Thanks.
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