Brooke Bralove, a licensed clinical social worker and AASECT-certified sex therapist, discusses Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART), a rapid, evidence-based treatment for trauma. ART uses rapid eye movement and voluntary image replacement to reconsolidate distressing memories, often resolving trauma in 1-5 sessions. It can treat PTSD, depression, anxiety, chronic pain, and more. Brooke shares success stories, such as a woman whose toe pain disappeared after processing emotional trauma.
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Highlights from today's episode include:
Brooke explains trauma can often heal in 1–5 ART sessions—even in a single 90‑minute session.
Brook teaches that ART lets you keep the facts but lose the painful images, beliefs, and body sensations.
Manon states the body stores memories in its tissues—and can release them without re‑telling the story.
ABOUT BROOKE BRALOVE:Brooke Bralove, LCSW-C, is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, psychotherapist, AASECT Certified Sex Therapist, and expert in trauma, sexual health, and emotional healing. With over 20 years in private practice, she helps individuals and couples overcome anxiety, trauma, and relationship challenges so they can feel more connected, confident, and fully themselves.
Brooke integrates neuroscience-based approaches, including Accelerated Resolution Therapy ART, to create rapid and lasting change. She is a sought-after speaker known for her warmth, insight, and ability to translate complex emotional and neurological processes into practical, transformative tools.
Core purpose/passion: Brooke's mission is to help people heal trauma, reclaim their authenticity, and experience more joy, pleasure, and connection in their lives.
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Introduction: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the #1 show for
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medical practitioners and holistic healers to have heart
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to heart conversations about their day to day lives while
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sharing their expertise for improving your health and
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wellness.
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have
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with me Brooke Bray love. She is a licensed clinical social
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worker, a psychotherapist, an A, A, S, E, C, T, so a section
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certified sex therapist, an expert in trauma, sexual health
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and emotional healing with over 20 years in private practice,
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she helps individuals and couples overcome anxiety, trauma
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and relationship challenges so they can feel more connected,
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confident and fully themselves. Brooke integrates neuroscience
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based approaches, including or including, yes, accelerated
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resolution therapy, which is art to create rapid and lasting
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changes. She is a sought after speaker, known for her warmth,
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insight and ability to translate complex emotional and
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neurological processes into practical, transformative tools.
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So welcome. And I actually haven't interviewed anyone who
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does art, so I think it's perfect to start with the
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definition of it can relate to in anyway. But welcome. First of
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all,
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Brooke Bralove: thank you so much for having me, Manon, and
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I'm excited to get into it with you today.
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Manon Bolliger: Okay, well, so what? Why don't we start with
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that? What is art exactly, and how does it work? How can it
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help people, you know? And then we'll talk later about, you
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know, what you've seen and all of that, and why you got there.
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But we'll start with what it is first.
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Brooke Bralove: So accelerated resolution therapy, or art, or
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art, I will probably refer to it as AR T today is an evidence
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based treatment modality that uses rapid eye movement and
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voluntary image replacement to change the way the brain stores
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distressing images memories and the corresponding negative
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sensations that show Up in the body when you might be
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triggered. And it is revolutionary in that you can
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heal trauma in only one to five sessions. And there are cases,
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specifically with single incident trauma, where I have
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only needed to see someone for 190 minute session, and they are
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good to go. So the change is rapid and profound and really
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lasting, and it's the most exciting thing I've ever done in
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my work. I feel very passionate about it, mostly because I
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literally witness radical transformations in a matter of
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minutes in my office, I can see the change. I can feel the mood
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shift, and how quickly that will happen for someone. And I just
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love it. I'm really excited about it.
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Manon Bolliger: So maybe take us from you know, most people have
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heard that the brain doesn't know the difference between, you
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know, reality or or what it imagines, or what you imagine
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for it, or whatever, however that works, how and some of this
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therapy is based on the play of that, and then the rapid eye.
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I'm I'm going to assume that that is a way to get into the
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subconscious, right, to be able to rewrite, but tell us, like,
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how does it work? Like, how the simple version? Sure.
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Brooke Bralove: So basically, let's take an example, like
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someone has been sexually assaulted in college and they
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are having intrusive memories, thoughts, and specifically, this
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happens a lot. Let's say the person is an adult, and every
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time their partner touches them, they wince and tense up and
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become completely dysregulated. So they're suffering right now
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based on something that happened before,
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Manon Bolliger: correct and
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Brooke Bralove: so what we do with the. Rapid Eye Movement is
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we replicate REM sleep, and during REM sleep is when
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memories are reconsolidated.
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Manon Bolliger: So
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Brooke Bralove: I like to think of it like we're taking a
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process that occurs sort of unconsciously, and we're doing
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it. Why while we're wide awake and alert,
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Manon Bolliger: but
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Brooke Bralove: we're using the rapid eye movement to calm
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negative sensations that will likely show up in the body when
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you are processing some sort of scene in art. We use the
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language of cinema, so we will talk about seeing a scene in
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your mind, and so we basically, we have the person see a scene
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in their mind with no talking. AR T has almost no talking, so
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it's not re traumatizing, which is really wonderful, because a
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lot of trauma therapy is
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Manon Bolliger: correct,
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Brooke Bralove: and we'll have them see that, and while they're
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doing calming eye movements, and so the negative sensations that
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show up in the body begin to decrease over the session. And
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then, similar to EMDR, we desensitize them. There's a next
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step around that, and then we ask them to change it any way
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they want. And so for someone that might be that it never
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happened, it might be that they never went to the party that
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night. It might be that they actually fought off their
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attacker because their need is to feel powerful and strong.
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It's really whatever the brain needs to feel better, and the
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brain knows how to heal itself. And so all we're doing is kind
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of allowing this window of opportunity to rewrite it. And
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as you said, the brain does not care if that's real. And in
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fact, the more fantastical, the better.
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Manon Bolliger: So
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Brooke Bralove: people bring in superheroes to rewrite their
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script. Harry Potter shows up a lot. So you're really talking
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fantasy, right? And all the brain needs is a really good
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story, so it wants to hold on to it, and so you do have to
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radically change it. You can't just change it a little bit, or,
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I would say the brain's kind of lazy. It's like, Eh, that's not,
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I don't really need to change it because it's too similar to the
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other one,
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Manon Bolliger: right? And then what happens is, let's say
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there's again, a touch, which would be an appropriate touch.
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What happens there's the the body, forget all of the
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automatic sort of reflexes. It just doesn't go there.
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Brooke Bralove: That's exactly right. So after AR t when there
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is a trigger, the person is likely to feel completely
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neutral,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Brooke Bralove: And they might be able to know that a week
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prior, they would have jumped, but they didn't. And that's the
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real knowing. I mean, I've had people who, you know, come in,
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really, just after one or two sessions, and they say, you
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know, it's all gone. The triggers are all gone. And
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you're really giving people, you know, a new lease on life,
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because it's disrupting them now. And you know, with a RT, it
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doesn't matter whether the trauma or the incident or what
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you're processing happened yesterday or 45 years ago, it
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often has, especially if you've retold a trauma that has
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happened to you. You know, 30 years ago. I always say it's
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like, you know, they are dug in those images, those neural
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pathways, and we're basically saying, no, no, look over here.
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Let's, let's work on those new neural pathways. And it's, it's
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really just amazing what the brain can do to heal
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Manon Bolliger: and so, so this is done with so an instance or a
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memory. Can it be used for pain? Out of curiosity?
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Brooke Bralove: Absolutely. I mean, first of all, I do want to
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just say kind of a general, sort of here, some of the most common
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ways AR T is used. It's used for PTSD, trauma, depression,
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anxiety, insomnia, ADHD, phobias, OCD, chronic pain,
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chronic illness, migraines, performance, anxiety, fear of
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flying, you name it. It. Works.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, so. But why I was asking pain
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specifically is because the other ones I can tell, like,
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once there's a story involved in it, or a belief or an opinion or
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whatever it is, then you know, it weighs on you, whichever way,
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right. But I mean, and pain, certainly their stories that can
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be developed about pain, so I can see in those cases, but the
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actual, you know, like, let's say post like, neuralgic pain,
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which is usually triggered by something, otherwise it may be
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silent, so you've got the trigger. But is it? Is it the
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same like pathway to the brain? I mean, that's what I've
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understood, but I just, I have a hard time fully getting that,
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yeah,
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Brooke Bralove: I understand. So it does work exactly the same
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way. And AR T is very procedural. We have a very clear
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way to do it, and of course, it involves, you know, bringing in
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your own flair, but it really does follow very sort of simple
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steps. And so let's take someone who has, you know, chronic back
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pain. We will do a session simply on what their beliefs are
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about it, as you said, we could do something around that it
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might be the most amazing way that I see chronic pain get
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worked through is that we bring up the negative sensations while
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they're sitting there, you know? And they'll say, Yeah, you know,
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my lower back hurts. And then we ask the brain to show them the
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very first time, or a much earlier time, where they felt
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those sensations. And what's so beautiful is, again, when you
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pair it with eye movements, the brain can come up with something
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often in like 10 seconds,
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Manon Bolliger: especially
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Brooke Bralove: when you don't go thinking about it. And so
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people will say, you know, oh, my God. I don't know why, but
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you know, I'm thinking about this time that, you know, my mom
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yelled at me because I, you know, didn't clear the table
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correctly. And you know, it's something that they have zero
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idea that is connected to their pain. And so then you heal that
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up, you update the brain to say that's not going on. You have
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them rewrite that, and their back pain won't go away, and it
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literally happens in the session.
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Manon Bolliger: Wow, I'd love to witness that, yeah.
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Brooke Bralove: Another good example is the way, you know,
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let's take that same issue, chronic back pain. Usually they
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have years and years of going to doctors not being believed. So
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the medical trauma associated with either chronic illness or
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chronic pain almost always has to be processed, especially
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around things like Ehlers, Danlos Syndrome or pots or MECFS
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that you know
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Manon Bolliger: exactly
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Brooke Bralove: where people, really, you know, have made,
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been made to feel crazy, and again, we have to go through the
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medical trauma, but we also try to find an earlier time where it
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started, and I would say about eight out of 10 times that
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actually exists, or we have them process, you know, a very
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typical day of just living with chronic back pain. So they would
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just see themselves on a typical day, you know, they wake up and
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their back is sore, and then they have trouble walking, and
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then, you know, they can't sit for too long at lunch. And, you
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know, and we just have them see that whole thing, because that's
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their experience.
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Manon Bolliger: And
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Brooke Bralove: again, then they change that typical day into
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clearly a day where they are, you know, moving and proven and
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beyond functional, flying, jumping, running, you know,
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living their best life. And then we store that in the brain,
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Manon Bolliger: okay? And when you store that is there, like,
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because you have the eye movement, how do you store it?
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How do you get the brain to go, Okay, I'm ready now, like, I
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know there's methods where, you know, you can go up to a certain
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emotion and then you can, you know, put it in your finger or
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your knuckle, I mean, whatever. There's, like, all kinds of,
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what is the method here that seems to be, and you
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Brooke Bralove: just, you just, literally invite the brain to
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change it. And the brain, again, knows how there's nothing
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Manon Bolliger: there's
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Brooke Bralove: actually nothing magical. There's no. Trick
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there. You just leave space for them to come up with it. Now,
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every once in a while, they'll need to do a couple versions,
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like they'll do one, and they'll be like, That's not so great.
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And then we know, because they're not having positive
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sensations in their body. But I always say the most, the most
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amazing moment in an art session is when someone is imagining,
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you know, the way they wish something had happened, or pain
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free living, and you all of a sudden see this beautiful smile.
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And then I always smile, because I think to myself, got them no,
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they're in, they're in. And it's really beautiful to watch. And
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in fact, I've actually taken pictures of someone when I do it
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virtually, where I'm showing them when they're in a, not you
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know, when they're in a dysregulated place. And then I
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take a picture of them at the end, and I show them, and they
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are kind of amazed. It's a very serene, you know, look that
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comes over.
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Manon Bolliger: So what got you well, how did you find out about
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this? Or how did you end up adopting this practice?
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Brooke Bralove: Yeah, so I came by it as a client. I went
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through a very traumatic breakup in 2017 and I had my regular
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talk therapy. I doubled up on that. I tried, you know, yoga,
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therapy and all sorts of things, and nothing could move this
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tremendous grief, nothing. And I really was kind of at my wit's
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end. And, you know, one person mentioned this thing. I had
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never heard of it. And I went and I did two sessions of a RT,
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and I felt completely neutral about the breakup. So from, you
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know, intrusive images, intrusive replaying words and
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things that he had said to me over and over, they just went to
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kind of a nothingness, like no attachment. So I can tell you,
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you know, in AR t we say, keep the knowledge, lose the pain.
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You, of course, would never want to forget any facts of your
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life. That's important, but what you don't need are the images,
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the beliefs about it and the way it gets stuck in your body. You
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don't need that that does not serve you anymore. So we're
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updating the brain
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Manon Bolliger: to
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Brooke Bralove: say that's not happening anymore. You're good.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, very interesting. Yeah. Because do
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you know a little bit about Bowen therapy?
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Brooke Bralove: I don't know very much
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Manon Bolliger: about
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it. I won't, it's your interview, but I'll just give
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you this much because it a lot of people learn that to deal
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with pain or to help people with pain. And, you know, and and
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there's the sort of physical way of looking at pain, you know,
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frozen shoulder sciatica, all those kinds of things, low back
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pain, and most people will benefit from it, like, you know,
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85% plus between three and five visits. And then there's some
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practitioners. And I train people in this in my school and
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Bowen college that that see it sort of a little bit larger, and
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they look at it not as 3d pain. But, you know, we got a 5d
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universe here, and maybe there's more going on, and there's
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trauma and all this stuff, and without again, without doing any
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pillow throwing or really reliving, there's none of that
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you. It, the body releases memories. That is, I believe it
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has got caught in its tissues. It's kind of, it's there, right
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anyway, so that's kind of a lot of the audience listening to
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this. That's their background as well, or they've experienced it.
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And, you know, I've, it's funny, because I have come across a RT
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many times. I've never actually experienced it, and I don't have
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a direct reason, but I'm just curious. There's people have
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been listening to my podcast. I've been following my dear
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partner, who's it's been two years now, he's had post
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herpetic neuralgia, and it's like in the right ear, around
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the right ear shoots down. But he's a very graphic kind of guy.
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His mind like, you know, he he imagines that he's got, like,
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all this metal twisting, he's got, like, so much to work with.
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And I'm thinking, you know, it's getting worse, not better. And
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many you know, I've tried with him. I mean, for him, many, many
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therapies, I've had success in my practice with this. We can't
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touch him. It doesn't work. Is this, and do you have experience
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with that?
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Brooke Bralove: Well, I think what, what I think is so
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important that you talked about is that, you know, he is coming
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up with imagery and metaphors around it. And in AR t we use
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metaphors all the time.
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Manon Bolliger: And
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Brooke Bralove: so what one of the ways to deal with pain is to
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put your pain into a picture, into an image, and then you can
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erase the image, or you can find a solution to the problem that
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the image, you know represents. So sometimes we we don't work on
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just a memory. We change something and we put it into
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something like this, feels like someone is squashing my ear. Or
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sometimes people will say, it feels like an elephant is on my
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chest,
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Manon Bolliger: right? And
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Brooke Bralove: then we have them metaphorically solve the
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problem. So maybe they go and get the circus tamer who says,
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you know, let's bring the elephant, let's get the elephant
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off. And usually just by simply them finding the solution to
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that their pain can lift. And we we cement everything by thinking
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having them imagine some time in the future,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Brooke Bralove: They might be like, maybe the next time he was
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in a place that was loud, a loud restaurant, if you know. And we
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have them practice that. And if negative sensations show up in
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the body, we process those out, and we keep doing it until
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they're no negative sensations. So then they leave with the
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belief that they're going to be fine, because they saw it in
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their mind's eye,
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Manon Bolliger: right, right? And is it a bit like swapping
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pictures and in the end, I mean, you've got this, yeah, so you're
00:23:23
working through a metaphor to make sense. So maybe it's like
00:23:27
winding the other way, and somebody's pulling out all these
00:23:31
electrodes,
00:23:32
Brooke Bralove: yeah,
00:23:34
Manon Bolliger: he's not being zapped from wherever. And then
00:23:37
it's like, and then it's like having a beautiful day where the
00:23:42
wind is blowing and and that's the image that kind of replaces.
00:23:47
So you can frame it kind of thing, right?
00:23:50
Brooke Bralove: Absolutely. And we often work in snapshots as
00:23:53
well. So we might look for a snapshot that's stuck from a
00:23:57
trauma,
00:23:58
Manon Bolliger: right?
00:23:59
Brooke Bralove: And you again, erase it and replace it, just
00:24:03
like you said, erase and, you know, replace. And what's
00:24:06
amazing is sometimes someone will be working, they'll say,
00:24:10
oh, yeah, I have two snapshots. You know that I have to process.
00:24:14
You process out the first one, this happened today, and the
00:24:17
person has no idea what the second one was. They cannot
00:24:20
think of it. I have a client where we've had three AR T
00:24:24
sessions, and every single time she's forgotten what one of her
00:24:28
snapshots was when she had had it right there less than two
00:24:33
minutes before.
00:24:35
Manon Bolliger: Wow. Again,
00:24:36
Brooke Bralove: the brain wants to heal. It's ready.
00:24:38
Manon Bolliger: You just gotta
00:24:39
Brooke Bralove: give it. Gotta give it the right circumstances
00:24:42
to do what it naturally knows how to do.
00:24:45
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, and I think, you know, people, maybe
00:24:48
this is just a guess, but over, over qualify the brain. I mean,
00:24:54
in the wrong way, in saying that, Oh, it's, you know, you
00:24:58
can't treat it. Like, it's just knows what to do, like, it's so
00:25:02
simple, you know? It's like, oh, it's complicated. There's all
00:25:05
these neurotransmitters. And you know, it's like, no, no, you
00:25:09
know, like the rest of our body acts normal. Why couldn't our
00:25:16
brain, right? I mean, you know, so it's very interesting, yeah,
00:25:20
so give us, maybe we don't have lots of time, we're quite close
00:25:24
to them, but maybe, like, one or two stories that really just,
00:25:29
you know, warmed your heart.
00:25:32
Brooke Bralove: Well, there's so many, it's really hard. But I
00:25:35
think if we're going to try to stay, you know, with the chronic
00:25:37
pain or chronic illness, I had a woman come in, and she'd had toe
00:25:42
pain for just about two years after, you know, she she broke
00:25:48
her toe, you know, when she was at home one day, and no matter
00:25:53
what she did, it wouldn't get better. And I said, Well, do you
00:25:57
want to try to work on it? And she said, I mean, sure. You
00:26:00
know, she had no belief it would work, and we had her process the
00:26:06
incident that she had just thought was just, you know,
00:26:10
whoops, I stubbed my toe and broke it, and it turned out that
00:26:15
it was actually during an argument with her husband. And
00:26:20
so we needed to process out the emotion, the images around the,
00:26:25
you know, little trauma of the argument,
00:26:28
Manon Bolliger: right? Yeah,
00:26:30
Brooke Bralove: and her toe pain went away 100% in the session
00:26:34
and didn't come back. I think that was three years ago. She's
00:26:40
having a little foot pain, but still, it's the toes, not the
00:26:43
problem, and something like that was great, but I've had, you
00:26:49
know, what I really love is being able to help people
00:26:54
connect to something they thought was unrelated.
00:26:58
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, you
00:26:59
Brooke Bralove: know. And so look, I mean, spoiler alert,
00:27:02
it's often a very early message in a very early, you know,
00:27:07
incident. It can often be though, you know, just sort of
00:27:11
complex PTSD where maybe you felt criticized all the time by
00:27:17
your, you know, father or mother or whatever, or you were
00:27:22
bullied. And if you find pain, or you find something that's
00:27:27
usually bothering the person currently,
00:27:30
Manon Bolliger: you
00:27:30
Brooke Bralove: just keep asking the brain, kind of very open
00:27:33
ended, you know, show me an earlier time where you had those
00:27:37
sensations. So you're not asking about a memory. You're asking
00:27:41
the body to remember the sensations, and that's the link.
00:27:46
And again, it's profound,
00:27:50
Manon Bolliger: yeah. And does that work the same sensations,
00:27:53
which I can totally get, because that's the somatic imprint,
00:27:58
right? But could it be the same emotion like in other words,
00:28:05
let's say circumstantially, okay, the feeling in the moment
00:28:10
where this appeared
00:28:12
Brooke Bralove: Yes,
00:28:13
Manon Bolliger: was like not being hurt, and then
00:28:16
Brooke Bralove: yes. So let's say yeah. So let's say someone
00:28:19
is feeling very helpless currently, something's going on,
00:28:24
and, you know, they just feel very helpless, like they, you
00:28:27
know, can't help their son who's having trouble in college. And
00:28:32
they're just really stuck in this feeling of helplessness.
00:28:36
They bring up the sensations, you know, tight chest, nauseated
00:28:41
stomach, whatever it is. And then again, you have the brain
00:28:44
show you a time where you felt those sensations, and it usually
00:28:49
is around an incident that made them feel helpless. So yes, it
00:28:54
does the often the feelings are the same,
00:28:58
Manon Bolliger: right?
00:28:58
Brooke Bralove: But they just can't connect them when they're
00:29:00
just sitting around, you know, talking ad nauseum about them in
00:29:04
long term psychotherapy.
00:29:06
Manon Bolliger: No, that I've noticed. I mean, when I started
00:29:11
bone therapy, like 35 years ago, I guess a long time ago, that's
00:29:16
the people I impacted the most, because it's like, and many of
00:29:23
the therapists were asking me, like, what do you what do you do
00:29:27
exactly? Because, like, they're not needing to talk about their
00:29:31
stuff anymore, and it's like, was that good or is that bad?
00:29:34
No, no, it's good because they're fine. It's very
00:29:38
interesting how it really has evolved even our way in
00:29:44
psychology to think about all this. It was quite amazing. Oh,
00:29:48
Brooke Bralove: yeah. I mean, I, you know, I did my training, you
00:29:51
know, 2223 years ago, and I've been a long term, you know,
00:29:58
psychotherapist. I. Good, dynamic psychotherapist. I
00:30:01
believe in it 100% but not for things that are inherently
00:30:07
stuck. So I believe in the relationship of, you know, a
00:30:11
therapist and a client and all I mean, I believe in a lot of it,
00:30:15
but what I find is when something, when talk Therapy or
00:30:19
CBT or, you know, ERP, are not touching something, then you
00:30:26
don't need to talk about it. You need to get it out of your body
00:30:28
and out of your brain and change it. Change it so you can live
00:30:32
with that
00:30:33
Manon Bolliger: exactly.
00:30:34
Brooke Bralove: And people will not be able to see what
00:30:38
happened. They only see the new scene they've created, and you
00:30:43
ask them, and they'll say, wait, I I can't find it. Or, you know,
00:30:47
I was working with someone once, and again, it was someone who
00:30:50
had been raped and she was processing. And literally, a
00:30:54
minute later, she goes, I can't see him. He's not even in the
00:30:58
room. Where did he go? And I said, your brain just got rid of
00:31:02
him. You don't need him there anymore. He can't hurt you. And
00:31:06
it was amazing. She was just blown away.
00:31:09
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, and it's interesting, because that's
00:31:11
like, that's the reality, you know, right now in the present,
00:31:14
he is not there, right? But it's, it's amazing how much one
00:31:20
can get attached to the stories, right?
00:31:23
Brooke Bralove: Well, and I really do. I do believe that the
00:31:27
body is always trying to protect us, and so we do have to do a
00:31:32
lot of work around safety, you know, to reassure the body.
00:31:37
Thank you so much for warning me all these years to keep I'm good
00:31:42
now you can get, you know, that's ifs work art is trying to
00:31:47
keep you safe. You can just ask it to just move to the back
00:31:50
seat. It can't drive anymore. It's lost that privilege,
00:31:53
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:31:54
Brooke Bralove: because it doesn't
00:31:54
Manon Bolliger: need to. No, exactly. Okay. Well anyway, this
00:31:59
was great. This is very informative and very detailed
00:32:02
for you know, the people that I know are listening to this, so
00:32:06
it's been wonderful. So thank you very much. How do people get
00:32:10
in touch with you? And
00:32:12
Brooke Bralove: yeah, they can find me at Brooke braylove.com
00:32:15
and I'm on Instagram and Facebook at Brooke Bray love
00:32:19
psychotherapy.
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