In this episode of The Healers Café, Karol and Manon explored healing as a practice that extends from therapy and naturopathy into corporate leadership, communication, spirituality, and emerging technologies.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/karol-ward
Highlights from today's episode include:
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Karol states healing belongs in every environment—even corporate—and she brings therapy-informed insight into leadership.
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Karol explains our biggest block in speaking is self-criticism; real impact comes from communicating in our own style.
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Manon talks about writing books and a TEDx talk helped free your voice by committing your evolving ideas to paper.
ABOUT KAROL WARD
My work focuses on the internal motivators of professional confidence; self-trust, creating visibility, and the ability to communicate under pressure. As a TEDx speaker and author of Worried Sick Penquin and Find Your Inner Voice Career Press, I bring somatic psychological insight and combine it with practical, concrete application. My expertise has been featured in national media including CNN, NBC, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, and other major outlets. Whether working with law firms, corporations, or speaking at professional conferences, my focus is the same: Helping professionals build confidence from the inside out.
Core purpose/passion: My core passion is speaking to audiences about how to create a deep well of confidence for themselves that is uniquely theirs. I love sharing psychological insights about what confidence is and then offering guidance on how build it at any point in life.
ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: 'What Patients Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship' and 'A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress'. and What if Your Body is Smarter than You Think? I am the Founder & CEO of The Bowen College Inc. which teaches BowenFirst™ Therapy and holds transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENing to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience".
Mission: A Healer in Every Household!
For more great information to go to her weekly blog: http://bowencollege.com/blog.
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Ending: Welcome to the Healers Cafe: Conversations on Help and
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Healing at Manob Bolliger, a retired and deregistered
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naturopathic physician with 30 plus years of experience. Here
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you will discover engaging and informative conversations
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between experienced healers, covering all aspects of healing,
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the personal journey, the journey of the practitioner, and
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the amazing possibilities for our own body and spirit.
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Manon Bolliger: So welcome to the Healers Cafe. Today I have
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Carol Ward with me, and her job title. I'll just give that
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because that's a it's a powerful one. It's confident
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communication and leadership consultant. So you can imagine
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all of the people that she helps, but her work focuses on
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the internal motivators of professional confidence, self
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trust, creating visibility, and the ability to communicate under
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pressure. Now she is a TEDx speaker and author of Worried
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Sick Penguin and Find Your Inner Voice Career Press, and she
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brings somatic psychological insights and combines it with
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practical, concrete applications. She's been on all
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kinds of TV things, what some people would call fake news
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these days. Anyway, but there's a lot behind her, and I think
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I'm not going to spend any more time other than to have Carol
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say a few words and welcome you to this show.
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Karol Ward: Thank you. I'm. I really. I really appreciate this
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opportunity to talk about healing, in the sense of how it
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it has. What is it? It's a net that goes far out into the
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world. It's not. Oh, I just have I'm healing as a therapist, or
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I'm healing as a naturopath or an acupuncturist. I walk into
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corporate environments, focus on healing as well because it's
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part of my training. So I think healing is important in all
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different environments. I know you know that as well.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, no, no, but it's it's it's well worth
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saying because you know we tend to segregate and separate and
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forget that we're all you know whole, right? So exactly
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acknowledging that reality, and and I think it's um it's
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important too because often practitioners have the issue of
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not being seen in their own little milieu, right? But when
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you're speaking to a milieu that maybe isn't yours, you know,
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because you don't have training in that, or you know you've
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never been really hanging out with those people, it takes
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other skills, you know, and so I think the work you do bridges
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that, from what I understand, you know.
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Karol Ward: Absolutely, that's a really good way of putting it.
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It, it, there is a bridge, and you know, I was in private
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practice as a therapist for many, many years, and I had a
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particular world and a particular focus, and then as I
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started to go out because it's something that I like to speak
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about psychological topics, people started coming up to me
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and asking me, "One, tell me more about that topic, but also
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can you teach me how to speak? And I was like, "Oh, that is
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interesting, and so I started stepping more and more into the
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corporate world, which was not a world that I was in all the
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time. And I saw these are my patients; these are the clients
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that are going to be coming into your office. These are people;
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they aren't, as you said, separate. And I learned to,
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because a therapist office is different from coaching in a
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corporate setting. Though people share deeply at times, I learned
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to cross over that make make that bridge between what's
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appropriate for a therapy office and what is appropriate for a
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setting, which because of the environment isn't letting
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someone let their hair down, but still holding this space for
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them.
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Manon Bolliger: So that's in introducing more subject
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matters, like from an informational point of view or
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from a therapeutic point of view.
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Karol Ward: Informational, but my therapy training is always
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running in the background. And if someone is in front of me,
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when we go out to dinner, our backgrounds are running in back
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of us all the time.
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Manon Bolliger: But if
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Karol Ward: someone is in front of me in a corporate
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environment, and I see that they are struggling, while I I always
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say I'm not here to do therapy, but I can offer you some
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psychological insights if you're open
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Manon Bolliger: to
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Karol Ward: it. Often they are, and they are they are insights.
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It's not a processing session,
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Manon Bolliger: right? And then they
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Karol Ward: take the information. I have to tell you,
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what's really refreshing when I go into these environments is
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that a lot more younger people in session will say, "Oh, I said
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this to my therapist, or "I, I'm working with this therapist.
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Where years ago people didn't share that kind of information.
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Manon Bolliger: Right, right, yeah, interesting. You, you like
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as in it wasn't as common to go to therapist, or the type of
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information itself-the
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Karol Ward: type of information you would share in that kind of
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inf in that kind of environment. I'm sure people were in therapy,
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but you wouldn't necessarily bring it up as-and I love
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this-as casually and matter of fact as some of the younger
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people, I coach. It's they're very, very comfortable with it.
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There's a there's a pressure that's not on them that used to
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be there in the past, from my
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Manon Bolliger: experience. Okay, so now you've got my
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curiosity going. Like what? Give me an example. Like of what what
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surprised you? What subject did you think that you know that
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before would not be discussed, and now it's easier?
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Karol Ward: Well, I think if someone shares with me, and
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again, I'm speaking very very general. Yeah, I speak about I
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coach in leadership or confidence. If someone says I'm
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having trouble communicating to my team about a particular task
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I want them to complete, and and this is where having a therapy
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therapy background really helps. I assess that it's not an
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intelligence thing and it's not a strategy thing. It's a
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hesitation thing based on, which I will explore generally with
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them. You know, this seems like this is a hesitation based on
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something within you, and then I kind of hold the space to see if
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that lands. And if they say yes, it is. I find fill in the blank
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being assertive, being being directive a struggle, and they
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might say it's something I work on in therapy. So it'll pop up
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in that way. Whereas in the past, the the environment was
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work is work, and personal is personal.
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Manon Bolliger: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, yeah.
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Interesting, yeah. So, so, what do you find are the biggest,
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like, um, I guess hang up is the word I that's coming to me, but
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there may be a better one that people have in communicating in
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those sort of milieux, like what what is it that holds most
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people back in your experience?
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Karol Ward: Both in that environment and even when I work
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in life individually, is a couple of things. One is there's
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a fear of assertion, asserting one's opinion, asserting one's
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thoughts, so there's a holding back. What if I say the wrong
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thing? I think it comes back to self-criticism. I don't know
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enough. I'll say it wrong. I I can't speak as well as somebody
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else. I compare and despair. So it's that category of fear of
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self-criticism. The other thing that that comes up is people,
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and it really goes back to that last one. I should be speaking a
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certain way, and I don't, and therefore something is wrong
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with me. My big thing is you get to communicate from your
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personality, your style, in your way. You may need to learn how
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to slow down, eliminate ums and uhs and words that are
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cluttering up your delivery, but you don't have to become like
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anybody else in the room, and you can still be effective.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, well, no, that that makes sense. I mean,
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I'm looking at it personally because why not? Why
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Karol Ward: not? And I'm going to share a story. I I wrote
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about this. I actually one one time watched a. Practitioner, a
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health practitioner being interviewed on a local
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television show, and the host said to the practitioner, "You
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just exploring the subject. Said something like, "I hear that
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eating natural peanut butter is better than the store bought
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bought brand. It was something like that, and the practitioner
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said, "No, that's that's not good. You should be eating
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almond butter. And the host was sort of, "Where do I go with
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this? So, so they got into a conflict right away, and I
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thought to myself, "There's a way to communicate
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Manon Bolliger: with a
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Karol Ward: host like yourself, or where you match the person,
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right? You know that we all know
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Manon Bolliger: this. The
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Karol Ward: practitioners know this. You don't say to someone,
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"No, no, you're doing it wrong. You say, "I can see your point,
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or "Yes, natural peanut butter is better than a commercial
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brand, and here's another option as well. So there's something
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about being able to relax into yourself, which then allows you
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to have attunement to another person, which allows you then to
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communicate and connect. I'm all about connection.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, no, I think that's a that's
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interesting. I think I did learn that eventually, just because I
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couldn't get out of my own way. It's like I am who I am, and I
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really I want to understand people, I want to have you know.
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I want to have a discussion on the same subject. So let's get
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clear what it is we're discussing, what aspect of it,
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you know. So, and I think it comes naturally as a therapist.
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You're listening, so your listening skills are relatively
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good.
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Karol Ward: Yes.
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Manon Bolliger: So therefore, the communication on the level
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of misunderstanding that that's easier to get over. I mean, it's
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it can be worked, but it it is also it can be very natural,
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right?
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Karol Ward: Yes, I agree with that. The
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Manon Bolliger: other part, where you know somebody could
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say it better, or you know, what if they're yeah they're more
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read in this particular subject, or all of the excuses, you know,
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where maybe your opinion is, you know, actually, that's why I
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wrote books. So I decided I'm really going to push this. I did
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a TEDx talk as well, and I wrote four books. And now my thoughts
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are out there. That's it. They're in paper. They're out
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there. Have I changed my mind on some subjects. Yes, have I
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gotten further educated? Yes, you know. Would I say it
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differently? Some some of the points, you know. But it's it's
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okay because now it's like, oh, I finally did that step. But it
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took me writing it. Otherwise, I would be mumbling in the corner,
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wanting to say what somebody else was saying.
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Karol Ward: And we all have our we all have our areas where that
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we get our voice out.
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Manon Bolliger: Right, right.
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Karol Ward: I love to speak literally presentations. I have
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written books. It's not my natural thing, but like you, I
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wanted to share information without my thoughts.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, no, and and the thing is, they can be
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you. You can do both, right? But I think therapeutically, the
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writing, the committing of on paper, is what allowed the
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verbal to come out.
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Karol Ward: That's interesting. Yes, it freed it up. Is what
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you're saying?
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, because it's not that I'm good at
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writing. It's that it's the commitment part that a thought
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can be shared, and yet can be changed. It can be wrong. It can
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be adapted to new circumstances, new realities, right? It's it's
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being less attached to to the ego in that sense, right? To
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what it means. It's just a thought. Yes,
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Karol Ward: just a thought. I agree. And again, it's
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interesting that we're talking about this because part of my
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it's it's an emerging focus. Meaning, I didn't go into these
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environments going that this is what's going to happen is to
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normalize worry, anxiety, and fear in those environments.
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Presencing for someone, normalizing, reflecting
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back-it's okay. It's okay for you to feel that way. I've seen
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it before. Now let's talk it through. Work in a strategy. So
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it's-it's that-that's how I'm hearing what you're saying. It
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is really allowing people to digest what I'm saying and
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normalizing their experience, right? Whatever they're going
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through,
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Manon Bolliger: yeah. Which is, I think, it's this is why it was
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easier to start with step two. Not that you had them in that
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order, but you know, the the the desire to connect First, and
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then you know, get more elaborate with the style of
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communication and the clarity of communication. It's it's sort of
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yeah, but if the heart's not there, I think it's very hard to
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jump that step.
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Karol Ward: It is, and I and again, the heart opening in
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certain environments you can't be wide open. It's part of it
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would be too hurtful, but there can be a opening and assessing
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and
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can
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I share more? Can I share more of who I am in this environment?
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Because whether you're in a therapy office, a naturopath
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office, a corporate environment, people are lonely, and they want
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to connect. They want to connect, and the ability to
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connect comes from sharing of oneself and to normalize that
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you can share yourself in your own way, and then learn some
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ways to connect people. To people really like that.
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Manon Bolliger: So so, how long were you in practice before you
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really felt the calling? I guess to to share.
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Karol Ward: I love that you said calling. I love that you said
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calling because I was in private practice for over 20 years.
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There was a what's a dovetail, a crossover. There, I was doing
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both for a while. When I had the experience of speaking and
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giving presentations, I like this. I really like this format,
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and that is a calling of mine to share information from that
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skill set in those types of environments. And then from
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there, the the corporate coaching evolved, and I saw that
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I could use my therapeutic skills and also my communication
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training to combine them, as we've been talking about. But I
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love that. I love calling because I think calling is
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something that, for a while, it because I couldn't. I was like,
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I'm a good therapist. I don't. I don't mind saying that. I was
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good at
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Karol Ward: But I did, but it wasn't lighting me up. It wasn't
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lighting me up enough. And then when I started speaking, I would
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leave those events going, woo, lit up, lit up, and
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and kept paying attention to the calling.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, well, I say calling too because to leave
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a practice it takes a lot, right? I think, anyways, you
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know. So it
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Karol Ward: does.
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Manon Bolliger: It's got to be something calling you. It has
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Karol Ward: to be. It has to be, and as you know, it's it's a
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change and a loss of an identity, but it is a
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transformation. I saw Stephen Levine speak years ago. I'm
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based in New York City. Spoke at the the Goal School Ethical
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Culture, and he was speaking about one of his books on death
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and dying. And my father had just died, and I was trying to
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understand it, and people were talking about change. And he
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said, "Your life's work changes.
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Manon Bolliger: What
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Karol Ward: you did originally
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Manon Bolliger: is
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Karol Ward: going to change, and to go with that change, and it's
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okay to go with that change. And there is that period of."
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Relief, grief, and then change. Yeah, and that's what that's
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that was the big deal. Is oh, I I'm no longer the therapist. I'm
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this other thing. So I agree with you. It's a big.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm definitely in a transition
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now for a while. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because I I
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had my practice for 30 years, and then because of certain
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policies and things in Canada in BC where I I practiced, I could
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no longer do what I was doing without abiding to ethics that I
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did not have, so I I believe in informed consent and you know
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things like of that nature. So I I couldn't do what I couldn't
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do. So so then I I had to well it was a combination of
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resigning but also not playing along with something I just will
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not be seen in. You know, it's just it's wrong. Yes, and so
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we'll see what happens with all this. But now it's um, I can see
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because Bowen therapy is a big part of my life as well, I have
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a school and I teach it, and it was a big part of what I do in
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my practice. And now, with all the technology that is
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resurfacing, a lot of it has been in existence, but we're
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getting to see it again. These med beds are coming, and meds.
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What is
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Karol Ward: that?
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Manon Bolliger: It's basically a cellular regeneration through
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frequency, way more advanced than what, in general, we know.
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But the knowledge has already been there. It's just you know
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how sometimes knowledge gets destroyed for usually for
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monetary reasons. You know anyway it's a it's a bit of a
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dark world if you look at it on one level, and it's hard to miss
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that level when you're in it when you see it. But anyway,
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this is all coming out again, and it's been very interesting
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because my whole life is so tactile. It's it's about
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connection, it's about heart, it's about touch, and this is
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now in people healing from all kinds of conditions and cancers
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and whatever in in like half an hour in this technology that I
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barely understand. I mean, I understand frequency. I get the
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idea. You know, it's not. I mean, the concept's been around,
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but there seems to be so much that people are going to need to
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be able to relax into that environment, or maybe not,
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right? Like, well,
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Karol Ward: maybe not. You're right.
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Manon Bolliger: Like they're looking new world, you know.
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Karol Ward: Yeah, people are people are craving connection
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and contactileness,
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Manon Bolliger: right? But here it's almost the opposite because
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you're in a little, in a, in a spaceship basically. So there's
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like no touch, and you're on your own, right? And I mean,
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you're. I'm not saying there's no nobody in the room, but it's
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um it's it's all the opposite of what I've always
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Unknown: done, and
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Manon Bolliger: yet I feel extremely called to really
00:23:56
participate in this. Well, because of the results. I mean,
00:24:00
you know, if you can heal that many people that quickly, you
00:24:05
know, and stop this chronic disease management that we've
00:24:10
been under, I mean, I hear it. That's my calling. So, so it's
00:24:17
it's an interesting kind of world, and you know how to step
00:24:20
into that, and yeah, it's a it's a dance, right? It's
00:24:26
Karol Ward: and you sounds like one the calling you're you're
00:24:29
listening to the calling, and you're open to seeing because
00:24:32
you're open. Information will come to you in forms, many
00:24:39
forms, different forms, dreams, people, symbols, right? It shows
00:24:45
up in in many different ways.
00:24:48
Manon Bolliger: No, and it's funny. Like dreams, it's true.
00:24:50
It's like I have, you know, different types of scenarios
00:24:54
playing out in dreams, just because it's not manifest yet.
00:24:58
You know, as in I've. Pictures, but I haven't seen one. I
00:25:02
haven't touched one. I haven't tried one. So it's it's very
00:25:07
interesting. And this is a Japan. Actually, is the first
00:25:10
country now that will be bringing that into their entire
00:25:15
population. They have also have the eldest population, and in
00:25:20
September they it will be in every hospital.
00:25:25
Karol Ward: I'm going to pay attention to that now. I'm
00:25:28
trying to energy
00:25:29
Unknown: work,
00:25:29
Karol Ward: and years ago, years ago, I I got under an orgone
00:25:36
blanket created by developed by Wilhelm Reich, who was the
00:25:41
father of somatic therapy, yes, and it was it was intense. And
00:25:49
my a therapist I knew had been given it was a container. It was
00:25:55
I think it was
00:25:56
Manon Bolliger: a
00:25:57
Karol Ward: triangle container, and he had it in a room of his
00:26:01
apartment, and had to and had to remove it because he was just
00:26:05
being bombarded with energy. So there are all of these
00:26:12
modalities. Yeah, you're right. Have been in existence, and now
00:26:17
I hear from you coming out from being underground.
00:26:21
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, no. So it'll be, it'll change our
00:26:23
world. That's for sure. You know, and and how we relate to
00:26:27
it. You know, and you know, it's it's easy to say, oh,
00:26:31
technology, it's all bad. It's not. It's it's a thing, and we
00:26:37
have to understand who's it. I think it's who's in charge of
00:26:42
it, is a big part of it. You know, it's like if it's
00:26:45
centralized or decentralized, that's hugely different. You
00:26:49
know what the damage that can happen, right? And I think it's
00:26:53
um it's a time where we really have to evolve quickly to stay,
00:26:58
you know, up with what's happening because it's feels
00:27:01
like it's going so fast,
00:27:04
Karol Ward: and what comes to mind as well, and we have to be
00:27:06
able to hold on to ourselves.
00:27:08
Manon Bolliger: Well, that's it. Hold
00:27:10
Karol Ward: on to ourselves. Does this feel right? What am I
00:27:13
drawn to? Does this feel wrong? I mean, exactly.
00:27:17
Manon Bolliger: And that's why that first level of, you know,
00:27:20
you really-if you really want to know the other to
00:27:23
communicate-that keeps you grounded, and the rest is kind
00:27:28
of-it's just skill sets. It's just or stories, things we can
00:27:33
let go of or move through. It's-it's a different nature,
00:27:36
you know. But all we really have is ourselves, you know.
00:27:40
Karol Ward: Absolutely, I wrote about something where I shared
00:27:43
that when I was first in private practice, I was energetically
00:27:48
and verbally trampling all over my patients, wanting to fix
00:27:54
them.
00:27:54
Manon Bolliger: Right, right.
00:27:56
Karol Ward: It was so hard for me to sit in their discomfort
00:28:02
and their need to process. And that therapist I mentioned, he
00:28:06
was my supervisor, said, "You have to fix it right away. Just
00:28:11
sit there in silence and match and match and match the person,
00:28:17
and you'll then you'll be led to the next thing. It doesn't mean
00:28:19
that we throw our skill set out the door. We're constantly
00:28:23
assessing and evaluating, but we let the patient lead, and that's
00:28:29
the same with communication. We let the person lead. That
00:28:32
doesn't mean we get trampled on in a in a dynamic, but cues and
00:28:39
listening and paying attention lead us to connection.
00:28:43
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. Well, it's interesting. It's actually a
00:28:46
principle by Samuel Hanneman in homeopathy of mirroring like
00:28:54
cures like, right? So holding the likeness is allowing the
00:29:01
transformation to take place, which is interesting. It's very
00:29:06
Karol Ward: true. And as a complete side note, but very
00:29:08
much related, when I was in my 20s, I worked for a naturopath
00:29:13
in New York City. I was his assistant. I would sometimes do
00:29:19
for patients who couldn't do it for themselves. I was the
00:29:22
surrogate muscle tester,
00:29:24
Manon Bolliger: right,
00:29:24
Karol Ward: right for different remedies, and so I learned a
00:29:26
lot. It it was part of my exploration of somatic therapy,
00:29:31
and it it was another piece of that training,
00:29:34
Manon Bolliger: right? Yeah, yeah, no, it's fascinating. I
00:29:37
realize our time is almost out, and I absolutely need to ask you
00:29:41
a question. So you said this
00:29:43
is what had most impact, and your second point is what I'm
00:29:51
going to ask you on. I had an anesthesia injury which opened
00:29:56
me up spiritually. Could you share that? Do you mind?
00:30:02
Karol Ward: Not at all. About let's say four years ago, I had
00:30:08
unexpected surgery, and I'm a very very sensitive person. I I
00:30:14
feel an aspirin enter my system. I rarely take things, and I had
00:30:20
anesthesia, and I asked for certain things not to be used. I
00:30:24
didn't want a benzodiazepine used. I didn't want an opiate
00:30:29
used. Yeah, but I'm not an anesthesiologist, so I didn't
00:30:34
know that they would use a steroid, use propanol, something
00:30:38
else, and I became incapacitated. I became
00:30:44
completely mentally and physically incapacitated. I was
00:30:48
bedridden for three months.
00:30:51
Manon Bolliger: Jeez,
00:30:51
Karol Ward: could not go outside because it was overwhelming. My
00:30:54
nervous system was shocked, and I felt very abandoned
00:30:58
spiritually. It's spirituality has been an area that I
00:31:03
continually try to develop, and I just was railing at God,
00:31:12
universe, and then when I came out of it, it took six months,
00:31:17
three months of intense symptoms. Then symptoms dropped
00:31:20
off one by one, and when I came out of it, it was like the mist
00:31:25
opening up for me. I realized that on some level, I stayed
00:31:32
with it and went through the process because it was
00:31:34
excruciating, and I had I had anhedonia. I don't know if
00:31:37
you're familiar. Absence of joy, absence of feeling, different
00:31:41
than than depression, just absent. So I would flat, flat,
00:31:45
and when that lifted, I thought something kept me going.
00:31:51
Something kept me going. I'm a determined person anyway, but
00:31:54
but this really tested my
00:31:58
Manon Bolliger: life force.
00:31:59
Karol Ward: Yeah, my life force very much so. I mean, I I was
00:32:02
reaching out to holistic practitioners, and it it my body
00:32:07
had to heal on its own. It had to go through a process, and so
00:32:11
when I say it opened me up spiritually, I I found myself,
00:32:16
of course, with a deeper appreciation when when we go
00:32:18
through something like that, and I found myself experiencing
00:32:22
more, what I call synchronicity, which I've had my whole life.
00:32:29
I've always had the ability to pick up on things that opened up
00:32:33
even more. And I, I, and this sounds very simple, but I
00:32:38
realized that someone was on my side, because some people don't
00:32:42
make it through crises.
00:32:44
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, not exactly. Yeah, yeah. Where the
00:32:48
synchronicity is that this is not your time.
00:32:52
Karol Ward: This is not my time.
00:32:54
Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
00:32:54
Karol Ward: this is not my time.
00:32:56
Manon Bolliger: Yeah.
00:32:56
Karol Ward: Yes, and I heal from what I had the Surgery from I it
00:33:01
was it was not spontaneous healing, but I healed
00:33:05
Manon Bolliger: and
00:33:06
Karol Ward: no other treatments were recommended and I couldn't
00:33:09
go. I couldn't go, so I my body and mind came back online and
00:33:15
something was something or somebody was in my
00:33:19
Manon Bolliger: com. Yeah, very good. That's quite the
00:33:25
experience. Yes.
00:33:28
Karol Ward: So I, I really, it's made me more compassionate and
00:33:31
open and sensitive and protective of my energy because,
00:33:36
as we know, just because we care, we're in the healing
00:33:38
profession. We can give, give, give, give, give, and one of the
00:33:43
most important thing when I work with practitioners is have to
00:33:47
set the boundary for yourself. It's okay to say no. Not every
00:33:51
patient is the right patient. Not every situation is the right
00:33:55
situation. And in my case, even with the holistic treatments I
00:33:59
was turning to, not everything that is good for you is good for
00:34:03
you in at that time.
00:34:05
Manon Bolliger: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a great
00:34:08
unwinding and and personalizing. You know, it's true because it's
00:34:14
it's you can have something that works beautifully at one moment,
00:34:19
but not at all at another, and you think, "Well, did the
00:34:22
therapy not work, or was I not ready for it, or was it not the
00:34:27
right time in my timeline? Exactly. Exactly. I don't know.
00:34:31
I don't
00:34:32
Karol Ward: know. And sometimes doesn't matter. You'll you'll
00:34:35
get the answer later on. Later on, you'll go. Oh, that's why.
00:34:39
Manon Bolliger: Yeah. There's a lot of later on happening in
00:34:42
therapy. So much we don't know. Yes. Anyway, Carol, thank you so
00:34:49
much for spending this time and explaining partially your work.
00:34:54
I think we did cover it a little bit.
00:34:56
Karol Ward: We did cover it and talked about how healing shows
00:34:59
up in many. And yes, it's been wonderful to talk about some of
00:35:03
those reasons that I like what I do and had switched. Yes, I
00:35:08
agree.
00:35:09
Manon Bolliger: And then I noticed too, you have a free
00:35:12
five minute body mind audio download. Is that still
00:35:15
available for people? It is
00:35:16
Karol Ward: still available. Yes, it's it's five minutes.
00:35:19
It's it's something you can do in your car and the train and
00:35:24
set to some very soothing, original music, and it's it's
00:35:28
just really to calm things down,
00:35:31
Manon Bolliger: right? And also cultivating confidence and calm.
00:35:35
I mean, both. Yes,
00:35:37
Karol Ward: once if you're scattered and going, what do I
00:35:38
do? I don't. What do I just to calm first? Calm, not not Zen
00:35:43
maybe, but calmer, so that you can then feel more confident.
00:35:48
Manon Bolliger: Okay, good. Well, thank you very much, and
00:35:51
yeah, I'll let you know when it when it airs.
00:35:54
Karol Ward: Perfect. Thanks so much.
00:36:00
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00:36:03
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00:36:12
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