Michelle Lally, a licensed massage therapist and Bowen practitioner, discussed her experience in the North Carolina massage competition, which she entered to showcase Bowen therapy's effectiveness. She treated two clients simultaneously in the clinical round, achieving a 50% pain reduction in 30 minutes.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/michelle-lally
Highlights from today's episode include:
Michelle explains Bowen lets massage therapists, even those with injuries or in their 50s–60s, keep working without wrecking their bodies.
Michelle says in competition, she treated two clients at once in 30 minutes with Bowen and still got about 50% pain reduction for both.
Manon explains how Bowen can often resolve issues in just 3–5 sessions by rebooting the autonomic nervous system with minimal, well‑timed input.
ABOUT MICHELLE LALLY:Licensed Massage Bodywork Therapist & LMBT; since 2009 and a certified Bowen Instructor since 2014. Since 2008, With over a decade of experience, I have trained thousands of students in a comprehensive full-body Bowen therapy routine. I am certified to teach Bowsage Therapy by Dr. Mitchell Mosher, the Bowen Foot Doctor; to licensed therapists for continuing education credits, as well as to individuals interested in supporting their family's health. My diverse range of services includes Bowsage Therapy, Bowen Therapies, Aroma Acutherapy, Chakra Balancing, and various massage techniques. In 2025, I was honored to serve as a judge for the American Massage Championship (AMC); wellness category in Las Vegas. That same year, I published a memorial to Dr. Mosher and an article on Bowen therapy for stroke victims in the Bowen Therapy Federation of Australasia. Most recently being one of the first Bowen Practitioners to compete in a State Massage Competition using Bowen Only on 2 people at the same time in the Clinical and Wellness Categories.
Core purpose/passion: It is my goal to have instructors under me teaching monthly so we can help as many people as possible.
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ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
My resolve to educate, empower and engage people to take charge of their own health is evident in my best-selling books: 'What Patients Don't Say if Doctors Don't Ask: The Mindful Patient-Doctor Relationship' and 'A Healer in Every Household: Simple Solutions for Stress'. and What if Your Body is Smarter than You Think? I am the Founder & CEO of The Bowen College Inc. which teaches BowenFirst™ Therapy and holds transformational workshops to achieve these goals.
So, when I share with you that LISTENing to Your body is a game changer in the healing process, I am speaking from expertise and direct experience".
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Introduction: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the #1 show for
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medical practitioners and holistic healers to have heart
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to heart conversations about their day to day lives while
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sharing their expertise for improving your health and
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wellness.
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have
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with me Michelle Lally, and we've done a spontaneous decide
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to meet, because Michelle has just finished a competition with
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it. What is it called the massage therapy
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Michelle Lally: North Carolina massage competition, which is a
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state run competition that leads to an American Massage
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championship. And they have, you know, different all the states
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compete, and then get to go to the American I guess you can go,
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even if you don't win your state, to compete at the you
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know, massage championship.
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Manon Bolliger: So I wanted, like, firsthand experience how
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it was, and also, you know what it's like when. So Michelle, her
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background is She's a licensed massage therapist, and in her
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state, in order to practice Bowen, one needs to be a massage
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therapist. So most people don't know what Bowen is. It's been my
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mission to get it out there too. And Michelle has, you know, has
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her own practice for years. She teaches it. She was also
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connected with Mosher, who, you know, she learned his
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methodology anyway. She's been putting it out there every which
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way possible, and has a full practice. And so I'm just, I'm
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really thrilled to be able to spend this time. And let's talk
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about how difficult it is to to really publicize something that
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a lot of people just don't understand how it could be so
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effective when you do so little, it's the less is more thing,
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right? And massage therapists, like physios like, you know,
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these kind of trainings are very hands on and very all over the
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body. And you know, Michelle's like dancing along between
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people and sitting down, you know, for big parts of the time.
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So anyway, I'm just thrilled to find out a little bit how all
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that was. And by all means, introduce yourself a little bit
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more if you want to. And yeah, what Bowen is, let's do it from
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your point of view.
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Michelle Lally: Yes, thank you, Manon, for this opportunity. I,
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you know, learned about bone therapy in 2012 from Doctor
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Mitchell Moser. He trained me for, you know, we worked
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together for several years, and after a couple of years of
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working with him, he did not want to teach the technique
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anymore. So I kind of took that from him, for him, and he would
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come and speak at a lot of my classes and stuff. And he, you
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know, was was a essential tool for me in my belief system with
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the Bowen work. And I, you know, started teaching students. And
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when you and I met at a conference years ago, both of us
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would agree that maybe 20, 30% of the people at the massage
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conference had heard of Bolliger, and not a lot of
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people had heard of it. So it was because of you and I
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attending these conferences and putting Bowen out there that you
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know. Now, I would have to say a good 60, 70% of people know what
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bowen therapy is. They may not quite understand it yet, if
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that's why I thought it was important to you know, once
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these competitions and these championships started taking
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off, this is the fourth year up here in North Carolina, and even
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at the first year, I'm like, what is that? How do you how do
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you compete in massage therapy? Right? Well, they have these
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different things that you they judge you on, you know,
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ergonomics and flow and technique, innovation, client
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contact and so I'm like, Gosh, I really want to, I want to try to
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do this with Bolliger and therapy and show that we can
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work on more than one person in the same time frame. And so that
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was the challenge. You know, they give you a 10 by 10 space
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to set up. Okay, I'm going to set two tables up and a little
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table to take an intake in this space, and then have another
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place for me to go and sit and wait the two for the pause,
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right? And so I asked the judges before I went, how are they
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going to receive this different kind of approach to this body
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work that is just as effective, right? So I decided to sign up
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for the clinical round, and the wellness round, the clinical
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round is. 30 minutes. So I took two tables and kind of made it
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really clinical looking with white sheets, and, you know,
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wore a white over shirt with my logo on the back. And I treated
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specifically what was going on with the I started them with the
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basic relaxation both of them, both people. They didn't know
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each other. I had two different intake forms. I looked at them.
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One had knee problems. One had lower back problems, but I
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treated them both the same with the with the basic procedure
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protocols. And so they're watching me work on these two
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people, you know, going back and forth. And I only had 30 minutes
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to work on both of them, so I could not do the full two minute
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pause. So I would just maybe give it 30 seconds, and then I'd
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go back to the to the first table and say, Okay, well, you
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had knee problems. I'm going to do some hamstring or whatever I
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felt, and I was palpate and see what was going on with the
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person, intentionally staying connected with her and making
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sure where the pressure was good. And they they judge you on
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with the client contact, and I would explain to them, okay, now
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I'm gonna let you process that and go to the next table, which
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was this far away from the other table, because that's all the
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room I had. So I literally had to turn around, and then I'd
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work on the other person with what shoulder issue or whatever
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issue they had. So my goal, and they judge you on in the
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clinical if they came in at a pain level of five, what is
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their pain level when they left? And both of them were cut 50% in
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their pain level and the efficient efficiency of the
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technique, okay, so that was great. I was pleased with that.
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And then at the after the clinical round, they take you
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and they put you in a circle of judges, and the judges ask you
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questions. Well, can you tell me why? You know you had to give
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them why you were hands off for a time because they're so used
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to you having you have to keep your hand on them the whole time
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during the massage, right? And, and so I explained it very well,
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you know. Well, the pause is just as important as the move,
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because it allows the body to, you know, process, etc, etc. I
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even made a specific slideshow that the judges could watch
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while I was pausing. And that was running on my little display
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table. And they were all watching it. They were all
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looking at it and watching it. Okay, so that was a clinical
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round. That was my, you know, I was first up on the first day, I
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got all my scaredness out of me, because I was, I mean, it took
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me two weeks of stressing out and prepping and having the
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props and because they judge you on how your your booth looks
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like you're coming into a clinic or a spa, they want you to make
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it look like it's inviting and welcoming. Okay, so with the
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with the next day, I had to do the wellness category, which was
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an hour 60 Minutes. I'm like, Oh, good. I can actually take
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some time and let the moves process. And I decked it out
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with Valentine's. Like, a couple is coming in for a Valentine
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session, and they're just going to get a full one hour bowing
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session, and I would customize it with the basic protocols, and
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then whatever was going on with that client, I would work on
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those specific areas, and I would and I stretched it out. I
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about ran out of time, believe it or not, I was, you know, I
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was so relaxed and so comfortable doing the moves just
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in my groove. I didn't pay attention to what was going on
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around me. I was just connected with the clients on the table,
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and I felt like I did really well. I noticed they were kind
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of taking pictures of me sitting in the corner and wondering why
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I was sitting in the corner of the booth, which, you know,
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again, I have this much room to sit in the corner, but I was
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wiping my hands in between the clients, because they judge you
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on cleanliness and all that stuff. So I had a thing of
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disinfectant wipes. And so I would wipe, throw them in the
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trash, go to the next client. Wipe, throw the trash, go to
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this client. So doing all of that while I'm trying to do the
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following moves. It's a lot. It was a lot, but I wanted to
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showcase that we can work on more than one person at a time
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and be just as efficient as all of those other people doing all
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these fancy tools and moves and and techniques, which are great.
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Those are great. But Bowen doesn't need that, and I firmly
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believe that, and I wanted to to show that so hopefully, and so,
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of course, I didn't, I didn't expect to win any awards or
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anything, because really don't think they knew how to judge me,
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Manon Bolliger: no,
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Michelle Lally: and I knew that going into it, but so I was
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waiting for My feedback, and I sent that to you what their
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feedback was with me, and it was like, you really need to tighten
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up the space between clients. What does that mean? You know?
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So I decided the next competition, and I'm going to
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keep doing it, because I think it's important that if we are
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able to get into a competition, and I know all the countries.
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Have massage championships,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Michelle Lally: And that, why is nobody teaching, why is nobody
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showing film therapy championship? You know, maybe
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it's just United States thing. I don't know. I know Canada, you
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know, I'm so I've talked,
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Manon Bolliger: yeah, I think part of it is that I think
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there's, there's only three states in the states that you
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have to be a massage therapist to practice Bowen, whereas in
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other places, like in Canada, you can be, you can be a
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naturopath, you can be a doctor, you can be a physio. It doesn't,
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it doesn't matter what you're I mean, you know, you need to have
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a background, or get schooled in a background, you know, like at
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Bowen college, but, but you don't have to be a massage
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therapist. So I don't think you know massage therapist schools
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are not necessarily seeing Bowen as a massage therapy, right? So
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because they didn't take it over, basically, right,
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Michelle Lally: right? It did. And it is more than three
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actually, but it
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Manon Bolliger: is
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Michelle Lally: every state has to report their continuing
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education,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Michelle Lally: A board
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Manon Bolliger: some school, yeah.
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Michelle Lally: So this, this is approved by, as you know, to be
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counted as continuing education credits, yeah. So that's where I
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am trying to target. Those therapists. Look, if you're
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going to, and a lot of people, lot of people are looking for
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something different, especially as they get older, that they can
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be just as effective and not as strenuous on their bodies as
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therapists,
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Manon Bolliger: exactly, exactly. Well, yeah, I was going
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to say, Michelle, we should maybe to for the listeners to
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just explain, or I can do this part, and you can talk about
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what it is for massage therapists specifically, and why
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it's worth or, you know, it's worth looking at, but Bowen
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typically is done with a period in between moves so The body can
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actually integrate the information. So unlike some
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places where it seems like more is better, or continuous is
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better, from a therapeutic point of view, if you give an actual,
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you know, we say two minutes, but it really it can depend on
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the person. Sometimes it's even longer for the body to really
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like. If you do work on the pelvis, for example, it can take
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a little bit longer. And as a practitioner, you end up sort of
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feeling when it's time to continue, right. So doing it
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under tested position conditions, it's quite funny to
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do this, but from a marketing perspective, it's absolutely
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brilliant, you know, So anyhow, but that's what it is. So so
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people, that's they typically come for an hour, and it's not
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uncommon to just do to lay the foundation work, which I call
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reboot, is a you reboot the autonomic nervous system, and
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then after that we start, we can reboot again, but then we do
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specific areas. Now, in in a showcase situation, the body can
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take more it like. So you know what you did, for example, where
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you got a 50% improvement in pain, which is, by the way,
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really good, right for a first session, especially done with
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shorter breaks, right and not done quite you know, in the the
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ideal way that one would do it, we would take that hour and
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allow people to relax and and typically, I have found that if
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I do it like This, in an acute pretend, this is a pretend acute
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situation that the results will last if I give the person the
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following week a real, full, proper treatment with the
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integration, so that their nervous system gets the the
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information. So that's kind of the context for those who don't
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know what Bowen is and it's, it's, it's a myofascial type of
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work, right? We do little moves in orchestrated parts of the
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body. A lot of it covers meridians, covers marma points,
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covers all kinds of mixed things. We're still trying to
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figure out, really, all of it, how it works. There's still
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unknowns to to those of us practicing outside that it
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absolutely works. So, so that's anyway. But why? Why massage
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therapists are such good candidates for this work. You
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tell us that a little bit yes,
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Michelle Lally: yes. So you know, a lot of new techniques
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that are coming out are less is more, because they're realizing
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that if you're doing deep tissue work for somebody for an hour,
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Michelle Lally: you've causing pain for them for an hour. You
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know they're you're digging and you're you're scraping, or
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you're cupping or or whatever tools you want to use as a
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massage therapist, and those are great. Maybe you're stretching
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or or whatever. Those are great. They work. But what if we just
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did that? That you know, if you felt like you need to do that,
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then finish it with the Bowen session and let them. Let's take
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them out of that fight or flight and put them into the rest and
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relaxation. And basically, that's what I offer to my
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clients. Is a full one hour massage. And I don't do deep
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tissue even in my massage, but I will do some faucher release or
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some stretching a little bit, nothing, you know, major, just
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to loosen them up and get them loosened up a little bit. And
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then I do the bow and session on them. And then when they start
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to relax and fall asleep and go into that state of, you know,
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rest and relaxation, and that's why I think that what I'm
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offering and what I teach other therapists to do makes a
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difference in people's lives. More than just getting a 90
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minute session, you get an hour massage and then the bone, and
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it's just more beneficial that way, in my opinion, and my
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clients feel that way too. Yeah,
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Ending: right. And I mean to the health I think I forgot now, so
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while I've done this research, but is it most massage
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therapists don't last in their profession more than seven
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years, or something like,
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Michelle Lally: that's exactly right. And guess who takes my
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class a lot of 5060, year old therapist doing it for 20 years,
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and they're like, We want to keep helping people, but my
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hands, my thumbs hurt, you know, my wrists hurt. You know, I've
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had carpal tunnel. I've had shoulder surgery. But even with
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those injuries, they can do this technique, even though their
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thumbs are, you know, may have worn them, worn their thumbs
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out. You know, they're going to gently just do the move. And
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guess what? Their client is responding and getting the
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results that they want. So that's and I tell them when I
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teach the class, I said, you're not going to really. I can tell
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you and tell you and tell you how this has worked, but until
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you take it to your table and you start doing this, then
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you're going to start believing in it. Because that's what
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happened to me. I had one person tell me their success with
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Bolliger, and it encouraged me to learn more. And that's when I
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found Dr Mitchell and and then I started putting it in my
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practice. And it wasn't until two, three months after people
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kept coming back to me, saying, Hey, do that flicky thing again,
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right? And I'm like, Okay, why was it different? You know, I
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had more strength, I had more stability, I had more balance.
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You know, my seniors that I was working on was amazing, and
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that's what made me want to keep doing it more. And then I
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realized how important this work is, how important this bone
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therapy work is. And every massage therapist, anybody who
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physical therapist, anybody who can help somebody, and by doing
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this Bolliger work, the more people we can reach, the better,
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because we're only going to help people. And that's my goal. Is
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to be, you know, I can work on one person at a time, or 10
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people in a day, or I can teach 10 students to do the thing
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Ending: right.
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Michelle Lally: That's why,
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Ending: yeah, and I was to say, from a practitioner point of
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view as well, like I in my practice. So I had done bone for
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about 30 years, like in full practice. And one can see, you
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know, three to five patients an hour, if you want to. Now, I'm
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not recommending you start with that. But because it
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Michelle Lally: can be, yeah,
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Ending: two is good, you know, again, it depends. I had the
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perfect space to be able to do that. And, you know, from a
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practitioner point of view, I looked at it like a walking
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meditation. I just. Went in silently, into each room, did,
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did the little bit that needed to be done, and then moved on.
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And so by the end of the hour, you know, some somebody arrived
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early, somebody arrived late. It I was seeing about 150 people a
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week. So it all worked out. They just came to the next one.
00:20:22
Everyone was patient, because everyone felt looked after they
00:20:26
got what they needed. It wasn't a feeling like, what's she
00:20:30
doing? I mean, it happened. You know, what's she doing, leaving
00:20:33
the room. And you know why? You know, why am I not the only one?
00:20:38
So there are to discuss and to say this is different, you know,
00:20:43
but you're, you're not like some sometimes, depending which
00:20:48
chiropractor, but sometimes there it feels like you're just
00:20:51
getting on rote, you know, you're not getting really a
00:20:54
treatment. It's sort of like it's a convenience to the to the
00:20:59
practitioner. But here it's actually part of the
00:21:03
methodology. It really is a necessary part. And when people
00:21:08
get that, and they relax into that, they get fantastic
00:21:12
benefits. And the other thing you were mentioning elderly or,
00:21:16
you know, practitioners, this method is also incredible for
00:21:21
elderly patients. They don't necessarily want to get all
00:21:25
undressed. They don't, you know, they can't be in certain
00:21:30
positions. Well, you can do Bowen just about in any
00:21:33
position.
00:21:34
Michelle Lally: Yep, I've got, I've got stroke victims that I
00:21:37
work on, them sitting in the lift chair. You know, I just
00:21:41
underneath and do the moves the best I can. And that's what sold
00:21:46
me on phone therapy, because I was fortunate enough, I was
00:21:49
already offering massage at a senior activity center weekly,
00:21:53
and already getting them on a massage table, because most
00:21:57
seniors cannot sit in a chair, a massage chair. So this was a
00:22:01
half hour session I was offering at a discount, and then my
00:22:04
schedule was full, so for me to transition them into the Bowen
00:22:08
technique, they believed me that this was going to help them,
00:22:13
because they were already coming to me. Okay,
00:22:16
Manon Bolliger: right?
00:22:16
Michelle Lally: So then, hey, I've got something new that I
00:22:18
think is going to be great for you. I'm going to try it, and if
00:22:21
you don't like it, we don't have to do it again.
00:22:23
Manon Bolliger: Well, they
00:22:23
Michelle Lally: would come back every week and say, Can you do
00:22:26
that thing again? Is it? And then that's when I would ask,
00:22:29
what did you I could walk down the church aisle without holding
00:22:33
on to the to the benches? You know, they had more. These were
00:22:36
90 year old, 80 year old ladies, right, coming in, and they
00:22:40
didn't have to get undressed. They just got a 30 minute
00:22:43
session, and they were off. And it was helping so many people.
00:22:47
And I was fortunate enough to have that already lined up to be
00:22:50
able to practice this so much in the beginning and see the
00:22:55
results. And that's what really sold me on it, if you if you
00:22:58
take a class yours or mine or online, and you never touch it
00:23:03
again. You're not going to know, you're not going to know how
00:23:06
this works. But if you go and you start to apply what you've
00:23:10
learned, even if it's just one or two moves, you're going to
00:23:14
see some changes. You're
00:23:15
Manon Bolliger: going
00:23:15
Michelle Lally: to feel some chemistry changes in the muscles
00:23:17
and the tendons, in the fascia, and that's going to help people.
00:23:21
Wow, this is doing something, right?
00:23:24
Ending: Yeah, yeah. I mean, lots of hurdles and misconceptions to
00:23:30
get over for some people. You know, I think that that's good,
00:23:35
but once we've done that, there's nothing like facts, the
00:23:40
reality of being out of pain, you know, and the fact that it
00:23:45
takes, usually, you know, three to five sessions, almost no
00:23:49
matter what they have, you know, how long they've had it. So it's
00:23:53
like, wow. You know, that's that seems too good to be true. And
00:23:56
we're trained too good to be true, therefore it can't be
00:23:59
true. You know, we have a lot of training, you know, so. But I
00:24:04
wanted to address one other thing, just because I know that
00:24:07
on your Facebook, there is so many mixed preconceptions about
00:24:14
doing a, you know, a competition, right? And, and I
00:24:20
thought that was kind of funny. And I just two points I want to
00:24:23
make. One is, you know, I admire your courage because you're
00:24:29
you're fitting in. It's like a square into, or what's the
00:24:34
expression, a peg into? No. How do you do this? The square into
00:24:38
a round hole.
00:24:40
Michelle Lally: Yes, as I felt like in the competition, I was
00:24:44
an orange at an apple festival,
00:24:45
Ending: right?
00:24:47
Michelle Lally: And, and guess what? Oranges are just as good
00:24:50
for you as apples,
00:24:52
Ending: right? But so from a marketing point of view, it's
00:24:55
brilliant, because you, you, you stand out. It is. Massage in
00:25:01
your state, and people have got to go, what on the world? Are
00:25:06
you doing? Right? Which you you got that the the danger that I
00:25:12
see, or that I think, the disclaimer I would put is, you
00:25:16
know, it happened to homeopathy. They found a remedy that worked
00:25:21
well for diarrhea. So the assumption is we'll give
00:25:25
everyone that remedy, and if it doesn't work for an individual,
00:25:29
then we know homeopathy doesn't work. Well, that's not how
00:25:31
homeopathy works. You know, there are many different
00:25:35
remedies for diarrhea. It depends on the person, right? So
00:25:39
in other words, trying to fit in a healing treatment in the
00:25:46
parameters of half an hour, for example, and speeding things up
00:25:52
and doing things not how one would do it in practice, goes
00:25:57
against the benefits of the the actual results that you would
00:26:03
really have in a real competition if the terms how
00:26:08
this practice should be done was observed, you know, like, like,
00:26:13
I was filmed once by, I think it was CTV, and it's like, for a
00:26:17
shoulder, it was like, they sent this client. I think you've seen
00:26:20
this one, but they've seen
00:26:21
Michelle Lally: it. Yeah,
00:26:22
Ending: this client around, and she's gone everywhere, and it
00:26:25
was like to debunk all, you know, chiropractors, everything
00:26:29
anyway. And I just, I just said, you have to come on her second
00:26:33
session, because I did not want it the first time around,
00:26:37
because they would look at me doing almost nothing, and often
00:26:42
the very first time there's a sense of relaxation, but not
00:26:45
necessarily yet, you know, a healing of the joints or
00:26:50
whatever, not yet it it takes that week of receiving that
00:26:54
deep, deep relaxation for it to work and last. And so they did,
00:27:00
thankfully come on the second one, because they thought they
00:27:02
could still debunk it, you know. But on the second one, her body
00:27:06
was able to lift her arm up, and it hadn't for like, seven years,
00:27:10
and,
00:27:10
Michelle Lally: oh yeah, you
00:27:11
Ending: know. So if you do, if you teach how it should be done,
00:27:16
I think that's our next step in this, looking at this, you know,
00:27:20
saying, Well, maybe every art has to be done the way it's
00:27:24
normally done. You know, that's another, you know, because
00:27:28
that's
00:27:29
Manon Bolliger: what
00:27:30
Michelle Lally: the hour session was, right? That's what the hour
00:27:32
session was. Normally, we would have them in two different
00:27:36
rooms, so and going from one to the other. But because I only
00:27:40
had a one little
00:27:41
Ending: space. Yeah,
00:27:42
Michelle Lally: I made it look like one person. As a massage
00:27:45
therapist can treat two people in the same hour and be
00:27:49
effective, and they're both got great results our session, and
00:27:55
that's what you want. And it was, I was in my zone, like you
00:27:58
said, I kind of went into a meditative state while I was in
00:28:01
that hour with them. I didn't pay attention to who was. You
00:28:05
know, there were 1012, judges walking around me, staring at
00:28:08
me, taking pictures, other competitors that weren't
00:28:12
competing, their families. Everybody was watching me while
00:28:16
they were watching everybody. But they were like, What is she
00:28:18
doing from one table to the other how she have two tables
00:28:23
set up in the same booth. And it made it work. I don't know. I
00:28:27
made it work. We practice here. It took me two weeks of props
00:28:31
and setting up and figuring and then getting there and only
00:28:35
having half an hour to set up your booth.
00:28:37
Manon Bolliger: Yeah,
00:28:38
Michelle Lally: yeah. I mean, that's just part of the
00:28:40
competition, and I did it. We did it. I had help, and just did
00:28:44
it. Once I was done, and I tell you, when I got done with the
00:28:47
second round, which was my last round, they said, Okay, your 60
00:28:52
minutes is up, I just went and I felt tingles and chills and
00:28:58
everything go through my body, and all the stress was gone.
00:29:01
It's like, okay, I made it through this. I can do this now
00:29:05
and not be so stressed out.
00:29:06
Ending: Yeah,
00:29:07
Michelle Lally: it can be happen. And so while I'm able,
00:29:11
and if I can train other therapists to compete as well,
00:29:14
let's show what bone therapy is, yes and yes. Take my brochure.
00:29:18
Learn about it. Learn more about it, but let's intrigue their
00:29:21
interest to say, what is that? What is she doing? And these
00:29:26
people are doing great, you know, what? What does she do to
00:29:29
them? And because it works, and I just that's what I want to I
00:29:35
don't want it to to to not be known. And what a great way to
00:29:39
show it, you know, and just go from state to state. And I can
00:29:42
either judge a competition and do a showcase of the technique
00:29:45
in 15 minutes and set two tables up and just do one or two moves
00:29:49
with the pauses and while I'm explaining what's going on,
00:29:52
which is fabulous. And or I can do a full competition and not
00:29:58
you know eventually how long? Ever probably win a trophy,
00:30:01
because I'm not up there doing acrobats and and dancing and
00:30:05
using all these fancy tools that they like to see in the in the
00:30:09
competition, showcasing maybe, maybe not. Maybe they'll start
00:30:13
understanding what the so I thought next time I compete, I'm
00:30:16
going to hold that sign up that says this is what an intentional
00:30:20
pause looks like while I'm sitting in the chair, I'm going
00:30:22
to have the sign right
00:30:23
Manon Bolliger: exactly facing
00:30:26
Michelle Lally: the judges, what the intentional pause looks
00:30:29
like.
00:30:30
Ending: You know exactly, exactly they think you're just
00:30:34
like lazy and sitting anyway. Well, Michelle, you know, thank
00:30:41
you so much for sharing that. And like you said, we've, we've,
00:30:45
we've really tried to do our best getting this out. And I
00:30:49
really admire all the efforts you've put to put Bowen out, and
00:30:54
also the referrals to Bowen College, where people can learn,
00:30:59
you know, more stuff, if they want to, and go deeper and, you
00:31:03
know, look at all that. So anyway, I think we're on the
00:31:06
same page. So thanks very much.
00:31:09
Michelle Lally: Thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate
00:31:10
it.
00:31:11
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