In this episode of The Healers Cafe, Manon speaks with Dr. Yun Kim and Dr. Jacques MoraMarco discussed their new book, "Walking Your Way to Vitality," which integrates walking, breath work, and mindfulness. They emphasized the importance of mindful walking, which involves coordinating steps with dynamic breathing and using a specific mudra to enhance focus. The book includes QR codes and drone footage to demonstrate techniques.
For the transcript and full story go to: https://www.drmanonbolliger.com/drs-kim-moramarco
Highlights from today's episode include:
Dr. Yun Kim explains mindful walking as a way to "check in" to the body—using breath, movement, and mudra to anchor awareness in the present.
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco talks about 5,000–7,000+ steps and about 30 minutes of walking daily can significantly reduce risk of major diseases and improve longevity.
Manon Bolliger states simple rituals (conscious walking, bedtime routines, putting phones away) help the body understand you "mean business" about healing and sleep.
ABOUT DR KIM & DR MORAMARCO
Jacques MoraMarco, a doctor of traditional East Asian medicine, has been a licensed acupuncturist since 1977. A pioneer in the field of Asian medicine, he took the first acupuncture license examination ever administered in the state of California. He apprenticed with See Han Kim, a renowned teacher of traditional Korean medicine, who was trained monastically. He completed his postgraduate work at Ecole Européene d'Acupuncture in Paris. From 1994 to 2004, he studied Sun Tai Chi with Sun Shurong in Beijing, China, and he is a fourth-generation lineage holder of Sun Tai Chi. He is a co-founder of the International Sun Tai Chi Association, along with Thomas Duterme and Eric Lee. Dr. MoraMarco has served as a clinic supervisor at Being Alive, an organization in Los Angeles that provides free wellness services to people living with HIV/AIDS and at the PTSD Clinic at the VA Greater Los Angeles Health System. He is dean emeritus at the former Emperor's College of Traditional East Asian Medicine.
Yun Kim is the founder of Emperor's Wellness, a doctor of traditional East Asian medicine, a fifth-generation lineage holder of Sun Tai Chi, and has practiced mindful meditation for the past twenty years. She has learned from renowned meditation teachers, including Thich Nhat Hanh, Trudy Goodman, and Christiane Wolf. A licensed acupuncturist in the state of California, she completed her doctoral clinical rotation at the PTSD clinic at the VA Greater Los Angeles Health System and maintains an acupuncture practice in Los Angeles. She earned her Doctor of Education at the University of Southern California, Rossier School of Education.
ABOUT MANON BOLLIGER, RBHT, FCAH:
As a retired Naturopath 1992-2021, I saw an average of 150 patients per week and have helped people ranging from rural farmers in Nova Scotia to stressed out CEOs in Toronto to tri-athletes here in Vancouver.
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Manon Bolliger: Welcome to the Healers Cafe, the #1 show for
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medical practitioners and holistic healers to have heart
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to heart conversations about their day to day lives while
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sharing their expertise for improving your health and
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wellness.
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So welcome to the Healers Cafe, and today I have with me Dr.
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Yoon Kim and Dr. Jacques MoraMarco, and they have, well,
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they've been doing acupuncture, they've been trained in
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traditional Eastern Asian medicine, and Dr. Jack Mora
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Marco has been an acupuncturist since 1977 He's a pioneer in the
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field of Asian medicine. He took the first acupuncture license
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examination ever administered in the state of California. That's
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wonderful. And let's say I don't want to read too, too much, so
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that both of you can actually introduce a little bit
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yourselves and what you're doing, but I also want to talk
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about your new book that just came out in January, Walking
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Your Way to Vitality, and it's all about integrating walking,
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breath work, and mindfulness in your life. Okay, let me see. You
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also do PTSD stuff. Okay, let's.. why don't I just start
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with welcoming you. Start
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: thank you for having us, Dr. Manon.
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Manon Bolliger: Yeah, and why don't like most people know you
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know something about acupuncture or Eastern or medicine, but what
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is it? What is your, your focus, your passion? How do you work
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together? Yeah, give us a little bit, whatever you can. What
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brought you there,
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: all right. Let's have Dr. Higgins
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start.
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Dr. Yun Kim: Yes, so we're both acupuncturist doctors of East
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Asian medicine, and we met at Emperor's College, one of the
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most distinguished acupuncture schools in California, called
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Emperors, and my parents founded the school in 1953 with the
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mission of training, training brilliant healers, teachers, and
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leaders in Asian medicine, and Dr. Moore Marco in the early
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years taught for several years at Emperors. They took a long
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leave, decades, and then came back in 2009 to serve as
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academic dean, and so we started working together. Then he, at
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that point, he had published a book called The Way of Walking,
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brilliant book, way ahead of its time. And I kept pestering him,
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you need to reissue this book, this people need this
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information, it's wonderful. And he kept putting me off. Y'all
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get to it, I'll get to it. And then finally, in 2024 that was
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the time he said, "I'm ready, and will you be my co-author and
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help me update the book, put in new research, really bring it to
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the modern era? And that's how the project started.
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yeah, so you know, I'm very happy and
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honored to have worked with this new edition, which is a totally
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upgraded edition. We went from the ancient tradition, which are
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included in the backbone of this book, to modern technology,
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because in this book we even have the QR codes, and each
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chapter illustrates under one minute illustrates the specific
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styles and walks and disciplines that we teach, and also we even
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at the end have a QR code with the drone footage, so you can
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see exactly as done from above, which is, you know, modern
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technology. So we have incorporated some of the ancient
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tradition with modern technology, so that's the
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outcome.
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Manon Bolliger: Well, that's so great, because you know many
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times there's like mini courses you can take, you know, whether
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it's tai chi, and then you have to look at, you know, your
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little phone, or you have to, you know, it's like it's hard to
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get the whole thing together right, whereas if you have a
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drone actually showing it, you have it in every dimension.
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Yeah,
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: that's that's one particular change of
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direction. Yeah, specifically interesting, but yeah, but you
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know, we have illustration in the book, and and just the small
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QR codes are used for, you know, specific to get the real feel of
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individuals doing it, and we have from young, younger
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individuals to our 85 years, 85 years young practitioner who
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practices tai chi for 40 years, and she does the mindful walk in
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it, so we have a wide. Range of demonstrations that illustrate
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the variety of people that might be interested, because at the
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core of the East Asian medicine, you have disciplines, one of
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them, of course, we all have heard about acupuncture, we all
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have heard about herbal medicine, we have heard some of
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us about Trina, Ama, Shiatsu, the body massage techniques, the
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medical massage that's done in Asia, and also one of them being
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the dietetics, and we do include a small chapter in the appendix
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on dietetics, according to some Asian principle, but the
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movement therapies are really important, and that is one of
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the things that have been perfected through centuries, if
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not millennia, because the very first observation from this
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Chinese physician called Watto, where he observed the movement
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of specific animals, and he absorbed those qualities within
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the practice for one's health, well-being, and longevity, and
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we incorporate some of those ideas into the chapters, and
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also part of the tai chi motions. They're very complex,
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so if people want to do the whole tai chi form, the
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underneath form, it's the traditional form. It's quite
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complicated, but you can extract some key concept like very
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trending tai chi walking, and in our book we do have some of
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those tai chi walks that are specific for the animals
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walking, animal spirit walking. Yeah,
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Manon Bolliger: so what can you tell us about, about that, you
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know, because like just so we, we get more education on walking
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itself, the incorporation with breath, like, tell us, like the
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importance of that, because you know, I know, I mean, in our,
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like, when we teach bow and therapy, we tell people it's
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very important to have a bit of water, you know, so that you're
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hydrated, and then go for a conscious walk, but we don't say
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what that means or what that is, and so it's very kind of, you
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know, very at the very beginning of this, you know, but the need
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to to integrate information in a walk seems very primal, seems
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natural, you know, but tell us more. Like, obviously, here
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there's an entire tradition of this, so can you share a little
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bit the history, and then why it's so important?
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Unknown: Yes,
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Dr. Yun Kim: start with the mindful mindful walking. It's
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one of our chapters. You talk about conscious walking, and I
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think it's very similar concept. So, when we are walking, often
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we are ruminating about the past or thinking about the future.
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We're rarely in the present moment, actually feeling the
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sensations and the feelings that we have in our bodies and so in
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in that chapter for mindful walking we invite our readers to
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check in instead of check out feet on the ground feeling the
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fabric of your clothes feeling your breath we have a mudra, a
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hand gesture that is part of the vitality walk, and so feeling,
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feeling the mudra, doing the breath work, and so you know, in
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all the research that we read, the key component is the
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mindfulness the mindful awareness of the present moment,
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and we can get there by anchoring our mind in the body,
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so the breath, the movement, the shifting of the way, and so
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that's that's a kind of training that we can do to be here now,
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it's a very well-known book by Ram Das. Be here now. How do we
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do that? We do that. One of the ways we, one of the ways in
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which we can do that is to bring our attention to the body,
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: right? And how did you start that? The
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original inspiration.
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Dr. Yun Kim: So, about two decades ago I got very
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interested in mindful meditation, and I had the great
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fortune of doing a meditation retreat with a great Vietnamese
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monk and peace activist, Thich Nhat Hanh, in California Deer
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Park Monastery, and his signature teaching was mindful
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walking, and with 200 retreat and in silence we did mindful
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walking from the meditation hall up the hill and I can still
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picture him, I can still picture his face, he emanated so much
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peace and serenity, and I was, I was so moved by that experience,
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and that's when I decided to inquire. Break this into, into
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my life, into my mindfulness practice.
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yes.
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Manon Bolliger: How long? Like, I mean, of course, people can do
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it all day long, I'm sure, but, but what is.. what do you
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recommend to people you know, just to live a healthy life, but
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how much should they incorporate that into their day or routine?
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Or
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: yeah, you know, I think the goal and
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objective, of course, is to start with the first step, the
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first five minutes, possibly to do whatever, or whatever walk we
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describe, whatever practices, do it for five minutes, and then
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build up upon it, but it seems that the magic number is at
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least you want to do 30 minutes a day, if you can do more, it's
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better, but at least have that 30 minutes a day, because also
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in terms of the steps, there are certain signs behind steps, and
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the steps between 5007 1000 is the magical number, and
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unfortunately, here in the West, in Western society, we are
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walking much less. In some other countries, they walk much more,
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but again, depending on the city, you know, some cities you
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walk less, some cities you walk more, but there's a direct
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correlation with the step, the walking and mortality rate,
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cancer rate, cardiovascular disease, even things like
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dementia, color, and depression, insomnia, the other
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interrelated, so you know you don't need to achieve the 10
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steps, that's everybody's, oh, I have to do the 10 steps, but
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that was based on the Manco Pi, which was a step counter from
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Japan, a pedometer that worked like a little bit like a clock,
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so everybody was, you know, during the 1964 Olympic, you
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have to get this, and that's how the mid came up, but most of the
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research says, you know, if you achieve that, you know, and then
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you know, over, you know, 7005 or 8000 you're not really
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gaining that much benefits, but what you can do instead of doing
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the steps, is you can start to practice things like the tai chi
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walks to improve and enhance your balance, because we know
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that over the age of 65 the rate of falls on seniors increases,
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and of course the severity of the outcome from that within one
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year, you know things go pretty much on that, so you know the
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ability to have the fall prevention aspect, which is
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very, very strong for the practice of the tai chi, mainly
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the catwalk, and also what we have in our book, the Golden
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Rooster Walk, but it's a transitional step in the tai chi
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that makes you really aware how to step slowly with your heel,
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and then roll out of the foot, so you get that whole momentum
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of the conscious movement of the foot, which is really, really
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important, and also enhances your proprioceptors, so those
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are really important aspects that are part of the tai chi
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practice, and there's over 1000 studies that demonstrates the
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effects of tachy practice for fall prevention. Originally done
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by Emerald University, with the backing and the encouragement of
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Rosalynn Carter, which was the wife of Jimmy Carter, and she
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has had over 50 year practice, lived to be in her late 90s,
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Manon Bolliger: interesting. So, what is that? What did you call
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it, the extra step, because I mean the whole thing increases
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your proprioception, but when you were talking about there's
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a, the golden step, or
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: the golden. No, these are the couple
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of the exercises in our book. We have taken one is called the
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catwalk, which is stepping in a very conscious, very slow method
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that you just consciously step with your heel and roll out, and
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then the golden rooster is basically stepping and having
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one leg lifted, very similar to a flamingo stance, which they
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testing flamingo stance. If you can stand for 10 seconds, you're
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in good shape. If you don't stand for 10 seconds, you need
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to work on that yogic practices one leg stance. And then in the
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book, we'll have a more advanced stepping pattern called the Bear
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Spirits step, so that's very specific for that tai chi
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chapter, but we even talk about in the beginning part of the
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book, such as retro walking or walking backwards. I don't know
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if you see many people walking backwards around the parks in
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your area, but I first saw those in China about 30 years ago.
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There were people walking backwards, and just recently I
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noticed in the last six months at a local park in our area,
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there's an uphill, and I see these people walking up the hill
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backwards. Of course, it's the concrete, there's no, no, no
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chances of falling off because it's pretty level, and I say
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what. What prompted you to do this? Oh, well, my doctor said
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this is really good for me, because it saves on my knee,
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works on my quads, strengthens up my buttocks muscle, and of
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course works on the proprioceptor. So that backwards
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working, we mentioned that in the traditional walk, which is
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in chapter one, but the key thing about that backwards
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walking, even though most people have not heard of it, it was
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done in 1915 and there was one individual that walked from San
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Francisco to New York back.
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Manon Bolliger: Oh my gosh, it
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: was monitored, and it was to be done
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under one year's time, and at that time was $5 bet, and he
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walked in 260 days, so that was quite a feat. He had a mirror,
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of course, and he had the monitored, and they wrote him up
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all the way through the different channels in the
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different cities, so you know there's so many different
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methods, you know, the Japanese walking, which is a dynamic
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walking, three minutes fast, three minutes, so, so there are
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different walking in the traditional style, but we went
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to go into the breath work and the coordination of steps and
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walking, which include one of the specific walk, which we call
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it the vitality walk.
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: okay, the key about that walk is
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coordinating your step with dynamic breathing, and I first
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saw that in the Malayan region almost 50 years ago, and I
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noticed that individual in their 5060s they were walking so fast
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up the hill when I was in my early 20s, I said, "How's that
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possible? And they employed this step, it's called dynamic breath
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with the steps, so you count your steps and you do the
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breath, so the breath is a very dynamic breath. I will just
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demonstrate they can hear, so you breathe into the nose two
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very fast. fast breath, and then you breathe out, and then you do
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two empty steps, so it's super oxygenates your body, gives you
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extra oxygen, and you have that power in the dynasty that goes
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back to this whole idea of vitality. Vitality, say a few
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things about what is vitality.
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Dr. Yun Kim: Well, a little more about actually the breath work.
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There's more and more research is showing that certain kinds of
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breath work, like the inhale and the exhaling, can calm the
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nervous system. The version of this particular kind of breath
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pattern is being taught at the VA for veterans for PTSD to calm
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the nervous system to bring you to the parasympathetic mode, the
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rest digest relaxation mode. So, the walking plus the breath work
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and the mudra.
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Okay,
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Dr. Yun Kim: so the mudra involved, which is a spiritual
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gesture, so very simple, you fold your thumb into the middle
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of your palm, and right here is a very important acupuncture
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point called the Lao Gong, and then you fold the rest of the
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fingers, and you're activating the lung channel to help
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respiration, very primordial position, and babies often you
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see the babies in
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Manon Bolliger: yeah
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Dr. Yun Kim: position, and so this is part of the vitality
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walk. So, when you have, when you combine the mudra, the
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walking, and the breath work, it's incredible. Your mind
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doesn't wander,
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Manon Bolliger: right?
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Dr. Yun Kim: Nature, the mind to wander, right? There's nothing
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wrong with that, but sometimes it's too much.
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Manon Bolliger: But is it like in this case? I mean, you're
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paying attention to this, that's right.
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yeah,
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Manon Bolliger: you're also breathing,
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Dr. Yun Kim: and you're counting your steps,
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Manon Bolliger: right? You're counting the steps, so your mind
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is busy. See, it's just
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Dr. Yun Kim: it's
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concentrated, though. It's concentrated, right? Yeah, it's
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it's paying attention, paying attention to the body, right?
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Very different than when your mind just kind of
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Manon Bolliger: is
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Dr. Yun Kim: anywhere, your spirals,
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Manon Bolliger: right? Right. So, so how does the, the steps
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align with the breath?
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Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: So, so it's a very simple at first, it
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might be a little bit difficult to do, but you know, you do it
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for even five or 10 minutes, and you get the rhythm, so the steps
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align that you are doing two inhalations on the first two
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steps, then you do an exhalation on the third step, and then you
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have two steps where you have empty breath, which has also its
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own health benefits, but the key thing about the mudra, one of
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the secret methods about this mudra is that when you do this,
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you cannot look at your phone, you can be on the
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Manon Bolliger: phone,
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Dr. Yun Kim: can't text her hands with,
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Manon Bolliger: I mean, it's so many people, you know, wearing
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the stuff on the ears, and I mean, they, it's like accidents
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waiting to happen, you know.
00:21:14
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yes, absolutely,
00:21:15
Manon Bolliger: absolutely not paying attention to anything,
00:21:18
but I don't think they're paying attention to themselves either,
00:21:21
you know they're just out walking, counting steps, maybe,
00:21:26
or getting them counted for you, so okay, so it's two out
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breaths, while
00:21:33
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: two in breath,
00:21:34
Manon Bolliger: in breaths, okay, while you, while you make
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a step,
00:21:39
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: one breath per step,
00:21:41
Manon Bolliger: one breath per step. Okay, so you breathe in,
00:21:45
you breathe in, and they're short breaths,
00:21:48
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: yeah, but dynamic, very dynamic,
00:21:50
Manon Bolliger: yeah, fast, like,
00:21:52
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: yeah, yeah, okay, all through the
00:21:54
nose, okay. And then you do one strong exhalation,
00:21:59
Manon Bolliger: and through the nose or the mouth,
00:22:00
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: all through the nose, this all
00:22:02
through the nose, and then you do two more steps empty, so that
00:22:07
in philosophy you have a yin yang balance, so this,
00:22:10
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:22:11
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: active and passive, so that's the
00:22:13
active phase, then you have a passive phase, and they all
00:22:16
complement each other,
00:22:18
Manon Bolliger: okay, so step with in step with in third step
00:22:26
out and then empty and then empty and then holding the whole
00:22:33
time
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Dr. Yun Kim: the mudra.
00:22:34
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: This is the primordial mudra. In mudra
00:22:38
is a typical word in Sanskrit that means hand gestures, right?
00:22:44
You know, we all know about, you know, the ring finger and the
00:22:48
thumb for the basic meditative mudra. A prayer hand is a mudra,
00:22:53
the admin mudra. So, you have so many different positions in
00:22:56
Tibetan Buddhism, they have different mudras for different
00:22:59
mantras, so you know those are all key, key components that are
00:23:05
now being discovered. Well, you know, looking at the brain and
00:23:08
seeing that in the brain there is the homunculus, the little
00:23:11
man, they call it the projection. You see, the thumb,
00:23:13
it's a big, big part of that, that brain. So,
00:23:16
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:23:16
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: even working with the hands and just
00:23:19
having this position does power up the system, so it's a
00:23:22
bioenergetic functioning, and you know, going back to even the
00:23:26
embryogenesis, the development of the embryo, when we talk
00:23:30
about acupuncture and the outer parts of our skin, they are part
00:23:35
of the ectoderm, which is really the nervous system, so it's
00:23:39
integrating this primordial system that we have embedded in
00:23:43
ourselves into your daily practice,
00:23:47
Manon Bolliger: and is this, let's say, like those steps, but
00:23:51
done for half an hour, is this what you would also use for PTSD
00:23:59
to to rebalance the other autonomic nervous system.
00:24:05
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yes, absolutely. You know, and that's
00:24:07
the key thing on on this breath work. It does work, it does
00:24:11
affect certain person, penetic mechanism, and you, of course,
00:24:14
you have all the neurotransmitters, all the
00:24:17
activation of the serotonin, and everything else that
00:24:22
Dr. Yun Kim: the cascade of those neuro activators
00:24:25
and you could take a very short break I used to do this all the
00:24:28
time we had an outdoor walkway in our office and I would just
00:24:32
go and do it for 10 minutes or walking to the bathroom or
00:24:35
walking to the
00:24:36
Manon Bolliger: right the
00:24:37
Dr. Yun Kim: parking lot
00:24:38
Manon Bolliger: yeah
00:24:39
Commercial Break: it's it's very invigorating
00:24:42
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: so it's, it's also called super
00:24:43
oxygenation, right?
00:24:46
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah,
00:24:47
Dr. Yun Kim: that's one
00:24:48
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: of the, one of the methods that we use
00:24:50
there, but we have different ones, and there's another
00:24:53
interesting chapter called immune support, or the immunity
00:24:57
walk, and that's a very specific walk, it also. Has the in
00:25:01
Chinese Shi Shih, her. It also happens to have the two breath
00:25:05
and one breath out, which is very interesting. From a
00:25:08
different part of Asia, you know, this one was more or less
00:25:11
developed in China by a very famous artist called Wolin, and
00:25:15
she developed this in the 1960s She was diagnosed with terminal
00:25:19
cancer, and at that point she did this breath work and had
00:25:23
some amazing remission, went into remission. So now that part
00:25:28
of practice, the bullying work is a cancer support method, and
00:25:33
most parks all over China, they have this group of individuals
00:25:36
that meet and do this breath practice with their cancer
00:25:40
patients, and see, totally integrated into the practice of,
00:25:46
you know, traditional Asian medicine with Western medicine
00:25:49
to integrate those two components, because it's, it's
00:25:54
the times are changed, and it's no longer alternative medicine,
00:25:57
it's no longer complementary medicine, it's really becoming,
00:26:00
becoming integrative medicine.
00:26:02
Manon Bolliger: Yeah, yeah,
00:26:03
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: that is the evolution.
00:26:05
Manon Bolliger: So, so it would help the body alkalinize, I
00:26:12
would imagine, to be effective that way. And what about people?
00:26:17
Because many people have sleeping issues, how is there a
00:26:24
time that's the best to walk, or you just walk when you walk, or
00:26:28
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: now you, you don't want to necessarily do
00:26:30
the vitality walk before you go to sleep, right? So you might
00:26:34
want to do maybe the bagua walk, which is the circle
00:26:38
self-reflection walk, and we do have a walk that's called Bagua.
00:26:43
It's the Bagua style walking. You walk around a circle, and
00:26:48
walking a circle, it can take 16 steps to start in a circular
00:26:53
pattern, and you go to eight steps. Bagua is the trigrams
00:26:58
that you might see, like on a Korean flag, or you might have a
00:27:01
mirror where you have it in different Chinese or herbal
00:27:05
stores or other grocery stores. They might have a little mirror
00:27:09
with this little broken and solid line called the diagrams,
00:27:14
and what you do, you walk in this circular pattern, and we
00:27:18
know that throughout history, different tradition from
00:27:21
different parts of the world, they use the circular pattern
00:27:24
works called circumstance, and they do it on sacred side, like
00:27:28
the Portola in Lhasa in Tibet, and they might even do around
00:27:32
the big mountain, Mount Kailash, or they would do it on the
00:27:37
labyrinth in a lot of places in Europe, they have this labyrinth
00:27:41
in old churches, where people would do this circular pattern
00:27:44
walking, but the circular walk done in this fashion really
00:27:48
activates the lymphatic system, especially in the gua, which is
00:27:52
the hip growing area with a lot of lymph nodes, so it's very
00:27:55
particular walk, and the nice thing about it, you can do it
00:27:58
indoors, in your house, in your living room, if it's cold and
00:28:02
raining and windy and snowing, or if it's very hot, you can
00:28:06
still do it inside.
00:28:08
Dr. Yun Kim: You mentioned sleep issues, that's so prevalent, and
00:28:11
this is not in the book, but I recommend to my patient this
00:28:15
self-massage, really massaging around the ears. What you do is
00:28:19
you take your middle finger and put it on the tragus of the ear,
00:28:23
the index finger behind the ears, and massaging this way
00:28:28
like that, up and down, up and down, up and down, and you're
00:28:31
getting all those wonderful acupuncture points around the
00:28:35
ears, and this calms the nervous system.
00:28:40
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yeah, so the index finger is on the
00:28:41
mastoid here,
00:28:43
Manon Bolliger: right,
00:28:43
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: and the middle finger is on the tragus.
00:28:46
Dr. Yun Kim: Yeah,
00:28:47
Unknown: and
00:28:48
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:28:50
Dr. Yun Kim: recommend that. And patients love it, you know, it's
00:28:53
not just one thing, you know, sleep hygiene, and it's, oh
00:28:55
Manon Bolliger: yeah, there's
00:28:56
Dr. Yun Kim: hiding the mind, and yeah, putting your locking
00:28:59
your phones in the safe, someone, someone was sharing a
00:29:03
hotel room with his cousin, and he was on the phone, so he
00:29:07
locked his phone in the safe,
00:29:09
and
00:29:11
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: it was a time change, so I was up in the
00:29:13
middle of the night, put in the safe, and that was it, you know,
00:29:19
Dr. Yun Kim: yeah, your phones away,
00:29:21
Manon Bolliger: yeah, but I do, I do find that it's helpful
00:29:24
sometimes when you give, you know, there's a little routine,
00:29:27
you know, whether it's closing the blinds, you know, like you
00:29:31
say, you know, putting phones away, self massage, you know, I
00:29:35
mean, these are all, you know, things that tell the body that
00:29:40
you, you, you're meaning business here. He won't sleep.
00:29:45
Yeah,
00:29:45
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: yeah. So, the circle walk in our book
00:29:48
would be one of the walks you might want to do before.
00:29:51
Dr. Yun Kim: Okay, because
00:29:52
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: it's self-reflection. It's a calming
00:29:54
walk, it's a patterned walk.
00:29:56
Manon Bolliger: Okay. So, you have a copy of your book. Right,
00:30:00
that handy. Yeah. Do you mind showing everyone? Okay. Great.
00:30:04
Walking away, perfect. And, and is it available on Amazon or
00:30:10
Dr. Yun Kim: your website at Amazon at Indie Bound for some
00:30:16
of the folks who want to patronize independent
00:30:19
bookstores, Target, Barnes and Noble,
00:30:23
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: and also it's available in the audio
00:30:25
version and Kindle, and even like a spiral version, so they,
00:30:30
you can have a workbook here, so in different countries have
00:30:34
different availabilities, so depending where you are, certain
00:30:40
aspects of it are available, just maybe some of it is just
00:30:44
the audiobook and the written book, the paperbacks coming out,
00:30:48
so depending on the country, like in Australia, the paperback
00:30:52
edition just came out yesterday,
00:30:55
they had the audiobooks before,
00:30:57
Manon Bolliger: so we, our time is up, it's already half an
00:31:01
hour, it's goes so quickly, but your, your goal, why don't we
00:31:05
speak a little bit about that, and and then we'll leave it with
00:31:09
that.
00:31:10
Dr. Yun Kim: Great. Well, I'll, I'll end this session with my
00:31:14
favorite quote from the Yellow Emperor's Classics, which is the
00:31:18
foundational text for East Asian medicine. We quoted the
00:31:22
beginning of our book, it says superior physicians do not cure
00:31:26
diseases, they prevent diseases. So, treating a disease after
00:31:31
it's risen is like casting weapons when the battle has
00:31:35
begun, or digging a well when you're thirsty, it's too late.
00:31:39
So, really want to emphasize the concept of prevention that's the
00:31:43
highest form of medicine, and so we want to start these practices
00:31:48
when we're relatively young and relatively healthy to prevent
00:31:52
what's to come in the, in the future. So it's important to
00:31:57
start now and begin where you are, you know, just, just start
00:32:01
with the mudra. I always say,
00:32:03
Manon Bolliger: yeah,
00:32:04
Dr. Yun Kim: if you feel like you have physical limits, just
00:32:05
start with the mudra, one block around your apartment or your
00:32:09
house, and you build from from there.
00:32:12
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: Yeah, and I just want to end with this
00:32:14
quote from our chapter five on the animal walks for tachy for
00:32:18
balance. He says, What is the aim of Tai Chi Chuan practice
00:32:22
health and vitality and eternal spring? That was from a great
00:32:27
teacher from last century.
00:32:29
Dr. Yun Kim: Okay,
00:32:29
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: so health, vitality, eternal
00:32:31
spring.
00:32:33
Manon Bolliger: Well, thank you very much for sharing this
00:32:36
knowledge and practical tips that people can do. So,
00:32:40
Dr. Jacques MoraMarco: thank you for having us.
00:32:41
Dr. Yun Kim: Thank you.
00:32:42
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