The Magic of Saying Yes To What You Didn’t Plan

Debra, with her 30 years of being an ultrapreneur and creating over seven companies, knows exactly what it means to accept the mission. When you make that decision, when you accept the mission to become a solopreneur, to take yourself and your talents to market, then you embrace a life of not only unlimited possibilities, but also the unknown. It's an elixir of fear and bravery that only someone who's taken the leap really understands. On our show, Deb digs deep with her guests to highlight what you, the listener, wants to know: the stories, the whys, and the hows to navigate the journey to success. Get ready to hear from some of the most incredible mission takers, from Generation Z to Boomers. So sit up, perk up, and get ready to be blown away. Now, here is your host, Debra Drummond.

Welcome back! I am very excited today. I know you think Deb, you're always excited, and I'm like, well, not true. Sometimes I'm excited. Sometimes I'm exhilarated. Sometimes I'm surprised. I am all three today for two reasons. One, we got the boys back in town. Now, if you don't know that song, you're not from my generation. The Boys Are Back in Town. All right, I think it was Sweeney Todd actually, you might you might be able to catch me in on that one. But I want to announce and I want to thank our podcast audience. You are doing exactly what you tell me you're doing. You're listening. You're sharing. We are and have been announcing that we have hit the top 5% in Listen Notes, seriously, top 5% in podcasting. Thank you so much for sharing the word of all these incredible entrepreneurs that are willing to come on here unedited. We don't edit, and we talk about the messy middle. So great! I think we're — I know we're well beyond 360 episodes, and I've been saying that for a while. So when we hit the 400, everybody gets a gold sticker. How's that? We'll let you know. I have some incredible people in the house. Now, you might go, they look familiar. They've been around the Mission Accepted world a little bit, but this is their third time together. I think this is fantastic because that tells you that entrepreneurship is either for the crazy or for the determined. I'm not sure what. I'm not sure what. But we have Deshawn White in the house, and we have Ocean Baker in the house, and this is their third conversation, and we are being able to watch them move through this entrepreneurial journey. And really, I think that is just so valuable. It is so valuable. It's valuable for ourselves to take a stop and go, What am I doing, and why am I doing it? Because you can get caught up in the doing, right? It's also good to take a — but most people take a think, and they're like they think about the outside. They think about what's going on right

now. They think about the future. But what we want to do is, like, what's this last year been like? So we're going to talk all about that. So if you don't know these gentlemen, you haven't been hanging around Mission Accepted long enough. So let's start with you. We've got DJ D Smooth in the house. Please tell the audience a little bit about you, what you do, and and when did you start your business?

Yeah, great question. Thanks for having me back again there, Deb. It's always a pleasure, and always great seeing Ocean, of course, as well too, my brother. I'm Deshawn White, I also go by DJ D Smooth, and I am a professional DJ here in the state of Utah. I have been DJing for six years now. I first started back in 2020, and yeah, I've been a full-time DJ now for an entire year now. So, that's where I'm at with that, and I specialize in all genres. I can play hip-hop, rock and roll, R&B, country, house music, you name it, no problem.

Awesome. Thank you. Thank you for letting us know a little bit more about you. And how about you, Ocean?

Yeah, it's been great. I mean, good to see De'Shawn again. Happy to see him. I know I always see him on the Stories and all what he's been up to, so that's awesome to see. And yeah, I mean, this year's been pretty crazy since last time we talked. There's so much new stuff that has happened, like all the new events we went to, like all of the tattoo shows outside of BC. So, we went to like Winnipeg, and that was really cool. But there's so much new stuff that has been happening, like new designs we're doing, new artwork we've been doing, new collaborations we're going to be posting soon. And yeah, it's just been a crazy time to get started today. It's it's been awesome.

So, I know that you've both been on the show before, you've both been doing some cool stuff with us. Ocean, maybe tell people what do you do, like, a lot of people may not know you yet, this might be their first introduction, and when did you start your business?

Yeah, what I do is I always call it street art wear line, because I have my own clothing line, but the difference is that I actually design all the pieces and artwork that goes on them. So, that's kind of what what I say. And I started this when I was originally 12, and then 12 to 15, we thought of like a business plan. And and then 15 to 19, we learned how to make clothing, and the whole process towards it. And then, I did my first drop at 19. So, and 22 now. So, it's been, you know, 10 years technically in the making. But, yeah, that's how I really got started.

Very cool, very cool. So, De'Shawn, back over to you. Since the last time that we talked, right? So, it's year two to three in our conversation, right? Like the So, this is the third time we've talked. So, in this last year, can you, I mean, share some highlights if you like, but I'd love for you to share that number-one unexpected moment that blew you away, you're like, Didn't see this one coming. This one wasn't in the business plan.

That's a great question there. So, one of the things that wasn't in my business plan when I first started was making music. And since this past year, I've now released two songs on both Apple Music and Spotify, across all streaming platforms. So I am producing music as well as DJing, which is super cool. You can find me there, of course, at DJ D-Smoove. That's S M O O V for Victor, E for Echo. And yeah, I would love y'all support there. So that's been really cool. Again, I I mentioned earlier there, I've been now full-time for an entire year, so I left my daytime job, which was a challenge. And since that's happened, the doors have really opened up, and I've seen my business really explode in a way that I didn't anticipate when I first started off doing this six years ago.

Wow. Yeah, and that's a big step, right? Taking, you know, leaving steady income, and you know, just that whole, and you know, you have family, right? So it's not just, sometimes it's just ourselves that we're thinking about, but then when you have other people to consider that are part of those decision-making that decision-making process. So congratulations, it's a big step out into full-time, right? Yeah, absolutely. And Osha, what about you? So, you know, in the last year that we've talked about, lots of cool things have happened. You've mentioned a few of them. What was something that was completely unexpected that just blew you away?

I mean there's a lot of things that since we've talked, it's been a long, a whole bunch of things has really happened. I think something that blows me away is still like the support of people coming to our booth, like the returning customers or our superfans, we always say. Seeing those people like again and again and again. I can think of one couple specifically that comes to all our events, and that still that blows me away really because they almost have like a pretty almost all of the shirts that we have, and it's just pretty cool to see that support. So that still blows me away that there's still support, and we have like fans actually of us, which I never I didn't expect from the when we first started.

Well, I think that's very true, that's a great example. When we start our business, we're looking for our customers, and we don't necessarily think when we're looking for our business, oh, I'm looking for my, my customer that's going to keep coming back over and over and over again. We're just so excited to get out there, we know we need to get out there, we know we need to make some sales, we know we need to make some contract, and what a nice surprise when people I'm sure hire you over and over again, right, for this wedding, or this event, or this community event or they see you here, and those people start to become super fans, and it's interesting because if we think about how we are super fans of certain products or we're super fans of certain people, it just doesn't occur to us that we are going to be those people, right? That's that's, that's great. So I'm going to, I'm going to kind of flip flip back and forth to you guys, right? So does does your business look similar to you than what you thought it would look at this stage?

Does it look similar to me than what I thought it would look at this stage?

Yeah, I mean, you know, we all have this idea like, okay, so, you know, whether you did a business plan or not, and let's face it, 90% of people that don't, they just like, you know, really Year 2-3 on my agenda, you know. I mean, poor Ocean had to go through that process because his mom started all of her businesses without business plan. Maybe except the last couple ones, but did you think that it would look like what it looks like right now? Like, could you have seen in Year 2 to 3 or I mean, you've been doing this for six years, but just from when I was talking to you, here you are Year 6, is this what you thought it would look like? That's

a great question, and I'll I'll honestly say, no. I mean, when I first started, I was really into the club scene, I was doing like smaller parties, just getting my name out there, and now I'm getting booked for, you know, conferences, I'm getting booked for international gigs, out out-of-state gigs, and I did not see that back then because I was still trying to just, you know, grow out of my local market, my local community. And to now have built a name where my name has expanded not only in the state of Utah as a whole, but outside of the state, that that to me is just like a it's a it's a dream come true, yes, but it's also just a supreme blessing there. So I'm I'm super grateful for what's occurring right now today in the business, and revenue has been the best that it ever has been. And I'm truly grateful for that, too.

Oh, that's amazing. And what about for you, Ocean? Where you are right now, is this where you thought you would be? Because sometimes we're further along, or sometimes we're not as far along as we thought. So for you, how are you feeling about this year?

Yeah, I kind of think like yes and no. Like I kind of picture us, you know, like having a following and stuff, and possibly like, you know, other people like wearing our clothes. Like I thought maybe that's a possibility at the beginning. I mean, that's a goal also, but and then also like no on the other hand, because I couldn't predict the stuff that we have done, like the events we've done, and the people we partake, and the people that we know now. So there's like I had like a dream of like making this like something one day, but then also I didn't expect to be where we are at this moment, like being this far, this quickly, and, you know, the opportunities that we have now. So it's almost like a yes and no because I wanted this to happen, and then yet again I didn't expect things to happen.

Well, here's something that I may kind of just throw at you guys is that it's always interesting the people that we meet, isn't it? Like I For me, that's one of the things that I you can't foresee. I've had a couple things that's happened in my business in the last month. I know it comes from, you know, it might look like a gift, but I know that it comes from, you know, some decades of of being the entrepreneurial in the entrepreneurial world. But when they say that it's one person that can change something for you or you're going to meet someone that can change your life, and even in your business, if it's for a short period or they they give you a rush of inspiration or or Has there been anyone like that? I know I'm going to go to I'm going to bounce to you, Deshawn, and then back to you, Ocean. But has there been someone that you've met, or has there been something like that that's really helped your business?

Yeah, I got two people that come to mind first. The first person I want to shout out is Connie Zeller. Connie Zeller is an event planner. And if it wasn't for Connie Zeller, I wouldn't be where I am right now talking to you guys, both Deb, Ocean, of course our great friend Carmel. You know, it's just the fact that, like you said, you don't know who you're going to run into. You don't know how those relationships are going to open up other doors for you guys, or for ourselves, I should say. And because of that door again, I've been able to meet you, actually come out to Vancouver, Canada, support Ocean and his fashion show, support you and your awards, and just your business as well to a Mission Accepted. It's Come on now. Relationships are everything. And the last person I want to shout out was of course Jason Woodland. Always shout him out. He's my business coach there, and he just simply saw something in me when I when we first met, sat down with me, felt like he can help me out, and we've been working together now for three years. So, since I actually launched my official business, we've been working together and just been growing and climbing mountains together. It's been awesome. Wow. And

how about for you, Ocean? Someone that, you know, I I know there was someone that you met recently at a trade event that kind of blew your mind, but what about you in terms of people?

Yeah, I mean, there's there's so much people that we have met that's been like a big impact, and the one you're talking about, he's like one of the Ink Masters. That was that was pretty sick at the tattoo show. That was that was crazy. If you look at my Instagram and stories, you definitely know who I'm talking about and see their work, but it's that was sick. But yeah, it's crazy to see like the people you meet and the connections, like Deshawn saying, like how we met him at the beginning, that was awesome, like way back then. And he did come out to this my first fashion show, which that was pretty sick. And then I remember the night before, we're I picked him up and then we're going to the studio to think about the song choices and everything, and that that was pretty memorable, too, so that was awesome. And choosing my song, like the Picture, my one of my favorite songs, Picture Me Rollin by Tupac, so that was that was fun to go back with the songs, and yeah, that was awesome. But you never know what's going to really happen, like next week we can meet somebody who can like, I don't know, benefit us or like help us, I don't know, it's just kind of crazy, you never know who you're gonna meet and when and what, and you know, you have this people supporting you, right, that's the most important. I mean, you'll you'll always see random people who are not like maybe the nicest, or wanting to support you in some ways, but the the most important is that you find the people who do support you, and believe in your action, and believe in your kind of risk you're taking in a way. So, it's important to have those nice people in your life, like Deshaun who supports us as well, like, so you want you always want to remember that, the people who are there for you.

And like, I I follow both of you, obviously, and what I can tell you about that or what makes me what makes me think, I see you guys doing that all the time. Like, I'm not surprised that you've got super fans, I'm not surprised that you have a business coach that's like behind you 100%, I'm not surprised that that guy from Ink Masters walked up and interviewed you and hung out with you because I see you guys doing for people exactly what people are doing for you, and I think it's interesting when you move from like you are other people's inspiration and just being kind. I mean, yo- you know, I mean, yes, Ocean, you're my son, but I just happened to see you know a picture of you at a trade event with another artist who does similar work that you do, and you went and made some purchases from his pop-up shop. Like that's the kind of stuff that keeps good vibes and good people and good things rolling in your life. In my opinion, being in business a little bit. I want to go is there anything new? I mean the last time that we talked, you know, you guys were where you were. So anything new from the last time that we chatted, which is about a year ago, I think it's very similar to a year ago, and now is there anything new that you want to announce? It could be something that happened in this last year, or it could be something that you've decided now that's gonna be happening in the future, like what's going on on?

That's a great question there. So, something that's really cool, I haven't really talked about it a ton to the public there, but let's make it known. I'm actually writing a children's book right now, and I'm very excited about that, so I'm past the the storyboard process, and I'm really putting the story like picture-by-picture, and page-by-page, so that's been very exciting. Yeah, I have three children, 6, 4, and a six, four, and a six-month-old. So, to me, this is a special project that I'm working on because when it's done, I'll still be able to read it to them.

That's fantastic! Oh my gosh. I love we love supporting friends around here. You just let us know when that's happening. We're going to help you there. And Ocean, what about for you in this last year? Has there been anything new that's with the you know, our audience hasn't heard from you for a year. They haven't been following you. What's new? What's happening?

Well, the top thing that thinks in my head are the new collaboration shorts that we've done with Vince from like Vince Toronto. That's been something really big that I can think of. A collaboration shorts that we've put together, those were a very, very big hit. And I'm happy seeing everyone who's who's rocking them and who's wearing them. But another things that we are from the last year, yeah, there's there's a couple possible opportunities that we have on our plate right now. I can't say for sure what we're going to do, but that that'll be a big change that goes through and what we decide. But last year, oh my gosh, there's so much stuff that happened since last year that is new, like all the shows we've been to, all the people we met at those shows, new kind of friends like from vendors we met, new artists, being more part of the community, too. Like, now people ask like, Oh, especially if you're at tattoo shows, they're like, Oh, yeah, oh, Natsukashi, yeah, I know them. They're they're nice. Like, the being the part of that community is pretty cool now. Like, I remember somebody said, Oh, I was talking to so-and-so. It's like a tattoo shop here. And talked about about you, Oh yeah, I know them, and I can't wait to see what they're going to do next. That's pretty cool. So, I think that's something big in our year. It's just we're kind of growing each year. So, I don't know, each year we just keep growing, so that's what I have to say.

Well, and I'm hearing that from both of you, right? So, Ocean, you talked about the trade shows you're doing now are out of out out of the community. So you're in the community, but you're also I know that that this was your first year that you packed up your clothing and packed up your booth and got on planes and you know, all the stuff under the into the suitcase, you know, the suitcases under, you know, and going and setting up in another part of Canada, and really doing shows outside. And, DeShaun, you talk about the same thing like going out of state and going out, you know, going international. And that takes a lot of planning. That takes, you know, it's a it's a next level. I call, you know, borrow bravery or borrow money. They're the same thing. But just making taking those risks, and I think the longer that you are in your business, those opportunities come and you feel like you've got a little bit more footing to be able to go and do those do those kind of risks. So I'm listening to both of you guys. You know, what I hear, you guys have been taking more risks and, you know, being more solid in your business. So the next question I want to ask you is something, you know, about your dreams. You know, we have aspirations and dreams, and sometimes we accomplish them sooner and sometimes they accomplish later or sometimes they change partway in between. But what are some of the dreams that you're looking at that we can look back at our show that we do next year and know, Hey, I wonder if they came through. I know you're talking about a children's book, but what are some of the things that you're hoping to happen for this next year or that you've got planned to happen for this next year, or who would you like to meet? Let's put it out there, right?

So yeah, this is a great question. I personally took a challenge less than 30 days ago to create a dream board. So I have photos, probably over 20 photos just for this year, like this is my 2026 goals. I've already crossed off three things off of it, which is really cool. One of them happened yesterday, which was be part of the World Cup experience and be the DJ for the World Cup. I know I wasn't physically there in New York City, but I was hired at the Waldorf Astoria, which is a luxury hotel here in Park City, Utah. And they brought me in to be the DJ representing the World Cup. So I was super grateful for that. Crossed that off my list. And yeah, I will say some other goals that I have there. Of course, becoming an author is one of those. I also want to take my music journey more serious when it comes to producing music. So a top streaming artist is one of those as well. Being able to take vacations whenever, you know what I mean. That's That's a great one. And then yeah, just acquiring, you know, businesses, being able to diversify my portfolio, are some of the goals that I have in this in this coming year here.

All right, we've got some big things going on. I can't wait to next year's podcast. How about for you, Ocean? In this next year, what are some of the dreams that you're looking to actualize or that maybe some things in motion?

I would say there's a couple that I want to do. Like, I mean, I want to do some more artwork. I think definitely some big pieces, like I want to do the one behind me in my in my screensaver right now. I want to do some more custom art for people. I want to do some more custom clothing. I think that would be really cool to have like some more custom pieces, like we did a fashion show. Hopefully, move to the studio to a bigger place or into a more public area, like more like downtown, like something more visible, like, for example, if you're from Vancouver, like Robson Street, something like something like that, having storefront, I think that is gonna be awesome. I think having maybe more people that I look up to wear our clothes, I think that's gonna be really cool. I think having something like that, like Snoop Dogg for example, like getting caught with paparazzi wearing our clothes, I think that's gonna be that'll be something I I'll really want to happen. Those those some of those big things that I I really want try to make happen this year. So, I say those are the big ones for now.

Wow. And DeShaun, I love the fact that you got a board. I mean, I had a treasure board, and Ocean knows cuz he's, you know, we've lived in the same house for a long time, and these boards with pictures on them, and take them off, it's really accomplishing to take them off or you put something there that, you know, represents that one thing that you want, and it's kind of cool because it's a visualization, right? I think it sometimes we make dreams and we write it in a book and we set it aside, or you know, the famous thing about doing a business plan is doing the business plan, and you've done the business plan, and then you don't go back and look at it. Or I know that me and Ocean this year did like a big whiteboard so that we can see it. But the important thing is to look at it and see where you're at with it and compare up to it, but and I think that's the powerful thing about treasure maps or dream boards is like you if you can see it, it just stays more alive, right? So, like Ocean, you've been talking about Snoop Dogg for a long time, so like that's good. That means that we just you just keep talking about Snoop Dogg, and eventually,

eventually he's

eventually he's gonna call you or you're gonna bump into him. Who knows? Maybe you'll be at Martha's Vineyard for some reason, and and they'll be sitting in the backyard, you know what I mean? Oh my gosh! Okay, so lots of really, you know, great business maturity, right? That starts to happen as you start to get, you know, these things that start to happen for you, and aligning with the right people and all of that. So there's people out there that are thinking about becoming entrepreneurs, or they're in those early days, or I even say sometimes early days for someone who's been in business can be year 10 or year 12, depending what they did, right? So sometimes people have a business and then they get to a place where they want to grow, which means they're back at a place where they don't they don't know the way to do it. So, what would your advice be to anyone that's looking at breaking into a higher level of their business or just becoming an entrepreneur entrepreneur?

That's a great question, there. I would say what's really helped me out there, we talked about it earlier, relationships. Relationships aren't things that you just say, I want to happen. You need to be out in public. You need to be out in community events, shaking hands and supporting others as if you wanted to be supported that same exact way, right? So the energy that you want to receive to other from others, you have to give that same energy to others. And I would say also just being a a good listener, you know, being willing to accept not criticism necessarily, but words of encouragement, words of advice. Learn from the youth, learn from the older. You know what I mean. So it's a it's a circle of life that needs to happen there with our ears, and we need to be listening to again both sides, so that we can know how to maneuver through this through this this life that we're all learning how to maneuver through. So, yeah, I think those are some If I were to give advice, those would be the two that I would

give.

Okay, okay. And how about for you, Ocean? Like advice out there for anyone that's, you know, in those early stages or wanting to dig deeper, you know?

Yeah, I think I mean, I think Deshawn says are really good, like the connections, and I I also would say, I mean for example, cuz we do clothing and artwork, I'd say like even just getting your buddies to wear your clothes or something like that, like if you if you have a couple just like one or two pieces, just get a couple of your friends to wear it or something, or I I have a friend that will go to like if I hang out with him, he will wear my shorts, and then like he will get compliments on the shorts, and he's like, Yeah, it's this guy's. So that's pretty cool, and then like you know you get like you give them your card. So I'd say just like have fun, have your buddies wear your clothes, make connections, actually try to make something out of it. I'd say like socials and stuff, like make put your heart into it, make it something that you actually like want to do. I don't make it just like a you know like you do it one time and never thought about it again. If you're you know if you're serious about it and you really, really been wanting to do it, you'll you'll find a way to make it happen, but, yeah, I think just you know connections were really good to have that and just you you know have your buddies wear and help have your family support you and stuff and, yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's great. I love how you just you know you bring it down to the individual experience and it's not like you walk out and all of a sudden, you know, you get that world support offer, that it it grow you know it grows. And same as for you, Ocean, right? It was you wearing your clothes and then, you know, your friends and family buying some pieces, and then you're like, Please go on social, you know what I mean? Like, Please tag me. Like it's all that that's how it all how it all starts. Last question I'm going to ask you, because our audience has been watching, and you guys are now getting into that stage of your business where people are like, I want to be like that. What do you do? Because there's lots of things. You have three children. You have a business that's expanding. Ocean, you're traveling to different countries, you've got offers for things that you've never done before, like retail or TV or those kind of things, right? What do you do yourself to to keep your dream alive? Like that's the external, but what's the conversations going on for you? Like how do you keep your head in the game? How do you stay dedicated or motivated or inspired when things go hurt?

Yeah, I mean, I kind of keep inspired because this is something I've always wanted to do since I was young. It is something I always like had a passion for. I think that kind of helps me because when I was a kid, I really wanted to have my own clothing brand. I think that really that passion just of knowing that like my younger self is like, oh yeah, we're actually doing this, I think it helps me a lot. And I also think like because I do artwork, like all of my designs are also my hand-drawn pieces, and they're all like custom patterns, so I think making artwork and like doing the canvases as I am right now, I'm making this one really cool Fire Toad at the moment. And I think that helps me continue to like having new pieces coming out and making new designs, so I I kind of just make right now art is kind of just helping me kind of recuperate. Like if I'm really like exhausted or tired, I kind of just work on that art piece, and and it continues my business still because I mean, I use that for, you know, my business one day, like that design and artwork. So I think just having some downtime pretty important too. Like you want to keep that motivation, but you want something that you could kind of relax with, but also keep it going. And I think for me, at least right now is doing those canvases helps me keep going and keeps me motivated, cuz then, yeah, you show that to other people and like, Oh, I can't wait for this to drop. And I'm like, Okay, so now we're going to make a drop out of this. And now we're going to do designs out of this. So that kind of it kind of full circle kind of helps it come around too.

Very cool. So it sounds like for you what you do, like the actual like the art and the clothing and the and the drawing and all of that is also where you go and restore so that you can continue to go back and do the business part of your passion, right? There's passion, and then there's the business part. So it sounds like the actualization of the passion, because for you it's art, allows you to keep going because sometimes the busi- the business stuff isn't as much fun. And how about for you, DeSean? What about What What's that What does that look like for you? Yeah,

that's a great question. So for myself there, I'm I'm going to speak from like the DJ, artist, entertainment space. What helps me out the best, today went to the gym, and it felt awesome. And I went to the gym because I had a lot on my mind. I have three weddings this week alone, and they're all Thursday, Friday, Saturday, so back-to-back-to-back. So therefore, there was a lot of room in my head that needed to be cleared. So I took care of that by going to the gym, releasing that stress, releasing that pressure, so that I can dive in and focus on these clients that I have to serve. So that's very helpful for me, just staying active, being able to clear my head there when there's a lot going on. And then also, I I enjoy taking a challenge and posting myself on social media. At first, this was a challenge putting myself on camera, but now I embrace it because for one, I don't want to go back, right? I only want to move forward. So therefore, after seeing and feeling that taste of, okay, there's a reward when you're building something. I don't want to go back. Like I said, I want to go forward. So I post myself pretty much daily on social media. I comment on others posts as well too, just to keep that engagement, keep that interaction. We talked about connections earlier. We want to make sure we're creating those touch points with others. And something that I just kind of learned that you know momentum is probably the hardest thing to build, but the easiest thing to lose. And I do my best every day to just keep momentum in my life. If I'm doing homework for producing music, you know that's that's feed fueling my mind. If I'm reading a book, I'm fueling my mind. It's not always practicing DJing, but it's the other things that you know people aren't talking about that that actually keeps me fueled up. So yeah, those are some those are some things there that I do. Yeah.

Wow, this has been been incredible, and it's really been incredible because we, I get to sit with you guys and ask you these questions, but the audience gets to watch this process and grow along a grow along alongside you. And And you know, the bird's eye view that you're giving us into your business is so helpful. I mean, for you, you're answering questions, but for others, you're answering questions that haven't come yet. I think one of the most powerful thing that entrepreneurs do for other entrepreneurs is continue to give resource, like mental resource, actual resource, and inspiration. And that's why I believe this whole movement of entrepreneurship is just so strong, and this world of collaboration is so strong, and people, you know, helping each other become better versions of themselves, and it's it's just a completely different world. So I really appreciate that you guys. First of all, I love and adore both of you. Yeah, and you know, big love, and so I get as much joy out of this as you guys do, and I want people to follow you. We're going to have everything in your in your show notes, so we're going to follow. You know, we have this show circulating for the next year. Listen to it. Send send it to people that you know that are inspired by it. We're going to have all of your socials, which is a really big way of showing the love. Sometimes people like, well, no, I'm, and I say to I say to the audience, so audience, listen to you, and I know that you're really good, you're really great audience. But reaching out to the guests and just saying that was amazing because sometimes we don't know, right? We don't know, and it's good to hear that the things that we're saying and sharing on podcasts and events like this that it's. Land thing for people, but anyways, I just want to say congratulations. You guys are just rocking your world, and more than that, you're two good humans doing really good things in the world. And it's people like

you that are taking the taking the success from your business and making impact. Just making impact. So I want to thank you. I want to thank my audience for always being so incredible. Well, thank you. We're very appreciative of this new accolade that we found out. We just kind of found out, you know, we're just doing our thing, and I think that's part of the surprise. That's part of the one of the beautiful things about putting one foot in front of the other. But we look forward for you coming coming back on your fourth year with us. Obviously, you started before that, and just seeing what has unfolded, how many things you've been able to cross off your treasure map list. Who knows, ocean? Maybe you'll be crossing off on your whiteboard list. And one day it'd be super cool for you guys to do some kind of collaboration. But I definitely want to see what's going on with our children's book as well. So thanks for being here. Thank you, audience, for being here. And as always, I do share, and I do say that until we meet again next week, I want you to be well, and stay curvy, and bye for now.

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