When Symptoms Change: Brain Health, Hormones, and Small Steps with Dr. Shabnam Das Kar

Welcome to Brain Health and Healing. I'm Sandra

Lee. This show is for people living with head injuries and

the families and supporters who love them. If you are ready to

reclaim your life, identity, and dreams for the future, you are

in the right place.

Oh, welcome to Brain Health and Healing: Receiving Adversity's

Gifts. I have a wonderful guest with me today. I am so excited.

So, I love helping people with injuries to their brain if they

have had falls or strokes or accidents, and actual tissue

brain damage has occurred. I have an expert with me today who

is an expert in not necessarily brain injury specifically, but

how to recover whatever is going on with your brain, I have a

functional medicine practitioner with me to talk with us about

how do we support our brain in recovering from injury. How do

we keep our brain healthy? So we have Dr. Shabnam Das Kaur. She

is a functional medicine physician who helps people

protect brain function before symptoms of cognitive decline

appear. Her clinical work centers on better blood pressure

management as the most powerful lever for brain health. Her

primary training was as an obstetrician and gynecologist in

Mumbai, India. Later, she moved into functional medicine full

time. She is a fellow of the American Academy of Anti-Aging

Medicine, holds brain health certification from Amon Clinics,

and is trained in Dr. B. J. Fogg's behavior design. She

divides her time between Alberta, Canada, and Mumbai,

India. Welcome to the show, Dr. Shabnam.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Thank you, Sandra. It's a real pleasure

being here with you.

I met Dr. Shabnam at some place called the Healthy

Neighborhoods Project, where I was talking about my work with

helping the brain stay healthy and brain injury, and she is

going to talk to us about something that I hadn't really

heard about when it comes to recovery from brain injury.

She's going to talk about hormones today.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yes, so my background is as an OB/GY, and

it was actually hormones which drew me to a fellowship in from

the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, because I

was at a conference and I was listening to somebody talking

about you know hormones, and I thought this is a different way

to think about hormones, and you know, Sandra, as you rightly

pointed out, I don't actually work with people who have had

brain trauma. But what was fascinating, and this was this

came from my training from Dr. Yemen's clinic, was when he

started talking about people who have had even what we would call

minor traumatic brain injury like they have not had

unconsciousness. They went to the ER and maybe they had some

brain imaging which did not show anything, and so they were not

seriously seriously ill. Like they were, they didn't lose

their consciousness or anything. But when they went, they were

sent home because there isn't a whole lot to do, but they

realized that many of them started having symptoms. Now the

problem is, you know, with a lot of these, so lots and lots of

studies, and I'm sure we're going to post something in your

show notes, have shown that people who have had brain

injuries, regardless of how severe it was, like even those

with mild traumatic brain injury can have hormone disruptions

later on.

Now the challenge, Sandra, is quite often these are missed

because the symptoms are not like one specific symptom. If

they are like specific symptoms, like excessive thirst or

something, then they would be sort of like detected early. But

symptoms can be things like you know fatigue, low mood, problems

with sleep, and oh, it's just you just had a brain trauma, so

you're going through all that. But sometimes it could be you

know early flags for hormonal disruptions like thyroid

hormones, or growth hormone, or you know there are some other

hormones called antidiuretic hormones. Then for men it's

testosterone, for women it could be the you know they could have

irregular cycles. And as a former OB/GY one one thing I

didn't. Back then, was sometimes it can cause problems of

fertility, low libido, and I don't remember asking any of my

OB/GY patients back when I was in Mumbai about whether they

have ever had any head trauma when I was, you know, when they

were talking about their infertility. So basically, what

I want to suggest here is, if you are someone who's who's

going through those symptoms, and again, Sandra, you know, I

usually tell people that just because a particular symptom has

not been listed in the doctor's list of symptoms, doesn't mean

it's not related to whatever preceded it, and I usually ask

them like, when do you think this started, and sometimes they

oh yeah I think it started when I fell off that stool when I was

trying to reach a higher shelf in my kitchen, and I thought it

was not a big deal. And but now that you're asking me, I realize

oh that was when a lot of my symptoms started.

So first of all, is how you need to identify whether you are

someone, and you by you I mean anyone who's dealing with any of

these. Are you? Do you have any of those symptoms? And if you

have those symptoms, sometimes your family doctor may not be

aware that you know these hormonal problems can occur

following a concussion or a mild traumatic brain injury, but you

need to advocate for yourself, and you can ask your family

doctor that you know this is what has happened to me, and I

have read or again it depends. Andre, you know some people are,

some doctors may be open to the suggestion, some may not, but

they may say that okay, do you think, doctor, I should be

screened for some hormonal problems? And once a hormonal

problem is detected, very often it will need a specialist

endocrinologist, or like it will need a specialist reference. And

Sandra, you and I know how long it can take for someone to get

an appointment. Oh my goodness! Yes. So, what it sounds like to

me is that people just need to pay attention to any significant

changes in symptoms all of the time. Yeah.

Whether or not whether or not they've had an

actual injury. Yeah. But to notice any time significant

changes occur, and I know when it comes to talking with people

about you know forgetting things and the potential for dementia,

that when people have symptoms like starting to forget things,

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: yeah,

or they don't want to go there.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah,

they are afraid of having this whole issue occur,

and so they tend to pretend that the issue is not showing up.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah, and the other thing, you know, and

I'm guilty of it as well. So it doesn't mean that knowledge

alone is going to prevent all whole lot of things happening.

One thing I, after I became aware of my symptoms and I

realized, so I had shortness of breath climbing a small little

hill, and I thought, oh, I'm deconditioned. I should be

working out more. I don't do that, and you know, I'm not

walking as much because it's very hot. But then my doctor

said, "No, you need a reference, you know, to the cardiologist.

And the cardiologist tells me, "No, I need to investigate you

for, you know. And I'm thinking, "How come I, being a doctor

who's supposed to know all that, how come I was ignoring my

symptoms? But anyway, turned out to be not to be a hard problem.

But you see how we tend to. So this is the cognitive biases

humans have, where bad things happen to other people, they

don't happen to me. It's like, oh, I can't remember where I

left my keys. This is quite normal, and you know, I was

unmindful. Sometimes that is the truth. But the thing is, any

symptom one is we should not ignore them, and second is

sometimes this is what many of us are guilty of. It's trying to

justify it as, oh, it's just sleep. Oh, it's like I'm

stressed. I have so many things I'm dealing with. I'm taking

care of older parents. My kids are, you know, going off to

college now, and blah blah blah blah blah. We try to justify

many things, and sometimes it's doctors who tell the patient,

"You just have a lot of stress in your life. Now, Sandro, who

doesn't have stress in their lives? We all do, right? I know.

So, first of all, I think I would say that don't dismiss any

symptoms that are new. Find out if it if it is not anything

serious, fantastic, well and good. But what if it is

something you can do something about? So I like to give people

practical strategies

to take, so that we want them to remember this and

write it down. Yeah. So it sounds to me like a first

practical strategy is. To pay attention all of the time,

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: yes,

to how you feel and notice any significant changes

or any slow creeping changes as well that are gradually getting

worse. And instead of you know saying, "Oh, it's nothing, write

it down,

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: yeah.

And it doesn't mean, oh, I'm going to go do. It was

like, oh, I'm noticing. I'm having a hard time forgetting,

or I'm having a harder time staying awake at night, or you

know, I'm having a hard time waking up in the morning, or

whatever it is to notice it, and then at some point it's like,

oh, maybe I really need to deal with this, yeah. And then go

through the process of you know calling the doctor and making an

appointment, and you know, like we were talking about, sometimes

getting the appointment can take some time. Yeah. So to you know

have the process already running, you know, before it

gets significantly worse.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah. Another thing, Sandra, I want to

point out is because the brain kind of not kind of actually

controls almost everything we do. So sometimes it is hard to

be objective about the brain. So I also tell people that you know

what? Have your loved ones, or your friends, or your

colleagues, people who meet you quite often, have they been

saying something? And sometimes you won't believe Sandra. When I

have, like, let's say it's a couple, and the wife is

concerned about the husband's challenges because he seems to

get lost while driving, and she is volunteering to drive, and

she says, "You know, he just wouldn't agree with me. And here

I am thinking, and he says, "I don't have a problem. Sometimes

it is people who are close to you who notice. Sometimes it may

be a colleague who notices that you are missing appointments,

you are missing meetings, or you show up late, and they may not

tell you, but I think it's also important for us to ask. You

know, have you noticed anything different about me? Because

sometimes people won't won't tell someone. You know, you are

you're not doing this. You know, and particularly family members.

Like I have noticed time and time again. Sometimes it is

adult kids who notice that. Oh, you know my father or my mother

is not what she was even a year ago, and the father and the

mother whoever it is think I'm fine.

I know an issue that people run into when it comes to

that is fear of conflict,

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: yeah, fear

of making somebody upset, and and and all of these

interpersonal related things, and so just think about

listening to this conversation that Dr. Shabnam and I are

having is a little bit of permission for you if you find

yourself in this situation on either side, either the person

who is behavior is changing or is not going, or being a family

member or a friend, to realize this is significant stuff when

it comes to the health of your brain, and like Dr. Shum said,

everything that the brain controls. Yeah, so it's like,

oh, I heard that podcast, and that functional medicine doctor

was saying to say something, and so to help you get over that

little hurdle, because I know, I mean, I have this whole fear

about bothering people and all this stuff, and oh, a doctor

actually said I should say something. So to to give you

that little bit of a nudge to either ask for that. Oh, have

you noticed anything about me?

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah.

Or if you have a loved person who is showing

these signs to you know just work up that little bit of

courage to actually say something.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah, absolutely. And I think Sandra,

another thing again, as I get older, I guess I'm noticing it

is sometimes we don't we are suspecting something. We are

kind of like, okay, I my memory is not what it was. I'm

forgetting things that I wasn't. But I don't want to know. I have

dementia.

Yes.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: But my point is, regardless of what

your symptoms are, and even if you have, if someone has early

cognitive decline, there are always, always, always things to

do that can help your symptom, that can you know maybe it will

reduce your symptoms. It can even prevent dementia. So this

is one something that I always protest against. Is when

sometimes doctors will tell patients, "Oh, you have a

diagnosis of dementia." And you don't qualify for a medication.

There's nothing much you can do. I disagree with that completely.

There is so much you can do.

Yes. So here on Brain Health and Healing, people

are accustomed to hearing me say, "Your brain heals itself

every day of your life.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yes, you have to give it the opportunity

and the resources for it to heal.

So, tell us more about hormones and how we

support our brain in taking care of itself with hormones.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: So, hormones now again. First of

all, as an individual, a person cannot do much about hormones

other than making sure they get the right diagnosis, so there

are no like you'll hear Sandra. I'm sure you hear as much as I

do about natural hormone treatments. Well, there are no

natural hormone treatments like no supplement that is going to

increase someone's level of let's say testosterone or

estrogen or anything in a let's say a postmenopausal woman is

going to take some supplement which is going to increase her

hormone levels. Now that doesn't exist, so a lot of it is

prescription stuff. But what are the things that you know any one

of us can do in terms of? So I use what I call my eight keys to

long term health. Most of the keys, I'm sure, everyone, most

people are familiar with sleep. Now, with sleep, what happens,

and and I'm sure you have a lot of clients who have sleep issues

after their trauma, the brain trauma. So sometimes, what gets

missed is, particularly in women, it could be a combination

of things like, in menopause, one of the commonest problems is

chronic insomnia, and chronic insomnia cannot be treated by

pills. It needs something called cognitive behavioral therapy for

insomnia, which is a non-prescription medication

treatment, which is again not easily available because it's

usually delivered by sleep coaches or psychologists.

But it's good to know because some people can also do

self-paced courses and all that. So cognitive behavioral therapy

for insomnia is very important. Then some people may have what

is called obstructive sleep apnea, and that may have no

relation to the brain trauma, but they can have it anyway. So

what happens is during sleep, the brain doesn't get enough

oxygen. We stop breathing in between, and for men, sometimes

their you know partners or wives may notice at night like they're

giving a jab, jabbing him in the ribs because he just stops

breathing. But for women, sometimes the symptoms are not

really related to breathing. It may be things like anxiety,

hallucinations, and sometimes they are told, "Oh, you're in

menopause, so this is the problem. But the problem is

actually sleep apnea, and to diagnose that, they again have

to go for a sleep study, and that is the only way to confirm

whether someone has or doesn't have it. So these are the two

things about sleep that people don't talk a lot about, you

know. Then food. Now there are no, you know, magic brain food.

That if I if I just eat blueberries, I'm my brain is

going to be great. Sandra, I can see you agreeing to that.

Rats. There's not a magical food that's gonna solve

all my problems. Ah,

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: no. So when it comes to food, I talk about

you know what are the jobs you want food to do for your brain.

So I look at it as number one is does it maintain your blood

glucose levels in a constant level state? There is a very

strict range which is good for the brain, and this is good for

all brains, regardless of whether someone has a brain

trauma, someone has diabetes, someone has a family history of

dementia. Doesn't matter for everyone. This applies. It

applies to mood disorders too. Then the next thing is: is it

keeping inflammation? Chronic inflammation is a very big

problem. Chronic inflammation is like a smoldering fire where the

immune system is on a constant, you know, alert when it doesn't

need to be. Like there is no bacteria it's dealing with,

there is no virus it's dealing with at that point. But it's in

the past something might have happened, and there are

gazillions of things which can trigger a chronic inflammation.

Food is one of the big ones. Now, I don't need to. Your

audience, I'm sure, knows very well that you know ultra

processed food like a lot of sugary food, pop, and you know

high carbohydrate food, pizzas, burgers, all the stuff, cakes

and pastries and cookies; those are not good for anyone's brain,

regardless of whether they've had trauma or not. So that is

that is not new information. Everyone knows. But the thing

is, what would be good for the brain?

Things like having high quality protein, because proteins don't

raise blood glucose levels as much as. Carbohydrates do so

proteins, as in depending on whether you're vegetarian,

vegan, or you eat so meat, fish, eggs, tofu. Those are you know

high quality protein and eat them as far as possible in the

least like processed way. So for example, if someone has to

choose between I'm from Alberta, so a wonderful, nice, juicy

steak and sausages. I would much rather they choose the steak.

But then again, Sandra, it's not always practical to have

sausages, you know, every week. I mean, sorry, steaks every

week. But if someone has to choose between, let us say, a

sausage and a sandwich, then I'd much rather go for the sausage.

So here are the decisions: like what what are the most important

you know things that you need to do for yourself? So proteins and

good quality fat. So good quality fat, as in things like

nuts or natural you know fatty fish or things like avocado. The

worst possible fat are trans fats. Those are the processed

food, the things that processed food contain. And again, another

you know something you'll find people.

Oh, you need to eat fish for the brain. Well, yes, you need to

eat fish for sure, but maybe you don't love fish. You don't like

fish at all, but expecting yourself to get enough omega

three to help your brain from eating only two helpings of

fatty fish a week, it's not going to work. So people can

actually test for omega three levels, and again, the test is

not available through healthcare. It's a specialized

testing, but most people would need supplements. You cannot. No

one can eat their way to have omega threes. So what else can

people do now? Exercise. Everybody knows, Sandra. We all

know that exercise is good for us. But how many of us actually

manage to meet what you know the guidelines recommend. I'm sure

you you meet such. I am not someone who meets the

requirements either. I

don't.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: And Canada has a very nice you know

guideline which is called the 24 Hour Movement Guideline, and

that is very important. You know why? Because a lot of time we

spend in sitting continuously. So right now I'm standing. So I

have a sit-stand desk which I can adjust. And if you are using

a standing desk, I always recommend people get a thick

rubber mat, like an anti-fatigue mat, because you can't stand for

two. And you should. No one should be standing all the time.

So again, this is my you know behavior change and tiny habits

method is your environment has the biggest impact on your

behavior. So when I decided I'm going to you know stand for my

meetings and Zoom calls and when I see patients, I decided to get

out of the chair in my office. You know, because the chair is

not there, I'm not like I won't be inclined to sit. Then I

realized my husband likes to sit when he's here at the table, so

I thought, "Oh, what do I do now? Because I can see the

chair, so I decided to push the chair under the table so that

it's not in my vision, so that he can pull it out when he wants

to sit, but I don't have to see it. And if I don't see it, very

unlikely I won't use it.

So, how do we set ourselves for success? You know, environment

is one of the biggest one, but sometimes we may not be able to

change our environment completely. So, food we talked

about, then exercise. Now, when it comes to exercise, what I

want to highlight is, you know, reducing Continuous sitting,

like yesterday or day, I was reading about you know people

talking about the number of hours of television viewing. A

lot of people you know do because number one is they are

bored, they don't have anything else to do, they are retired,

and apparently some statistics say like people are spending

about three to four hours a day watching TV. So I ask my

patients sometimes, you know, what do you do at this between

this time and this time? Where does most of your sitting come

from? And they'll say, Oh, I watch. I said, Okay, can you?

They'll say, Okay, I have a treadmill in the house, but I'm

not using it.

Said, Can you move it to the front of the TV? Like, you know,

watch your favorite show, and you can be on your treadmill

while you're doing that instead of sitting at the you know on

the couch. So so many different ways of doing this. Then another

one of my other keys is taking appropriate prescription

medications. That is where my interest in hypertension comes

in. Many people, because hypertension often doesn't have

any symptoms, so they think, "Oh, it doesn't have any

symptoms. I'm young. It's not my problem. I'm in my 30s and 40s

now. This is something my grandparents dealt with. No,

your midlife health will decide your long-term health. So write

prescription medications. Then, of course, there are

supplementation things like omega three fatty acids, vitamin

D. We cannot get enough vitamin D from you know, and

particularly in northern areas like Canada, we're not going to.

And my skin color, there's no chance I'm going to make vitamin

D.

So, Dr. Shabnam has given us a wide range of

practical actions to take that support general health, that

support hormone health, and that support recovery from whatever

it is that's not working properly about your brain. Now,

I think Dr. Shabnam and I are probably going to be doing

several of these podcast interviews because she's got so

much wisdom to share. So let's give us a quick conclusion for

people to take away with what we've already talked about.

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Yeah. So first of all, observe for any

symptoms that you didn't have before, and more importantly,

don't ignore any symptom that you like. One of the things I

ask people when it comes to brain, because a lot of people

come to me like, doctor, I don't want to get dementia when I'm

older, so I'll ask them. Do you feel your brain is as rapid fire

as it was before? And 100% of the time, it's like, no, I want

a brain upgrade. You know, so are you having things like mood

issues? You're not sleeping well, or you know, you have

fatigue. These are new things. Or did you notice anything

change after, let's say, a minor trauma? Minor, you fell off a

stool, reaching out for a shelf in the upper this thing in your

kitchen, or ask your loved ones that we know Sandra and I talked

about. Are you noticing something different in me? That

is one. Next is whatever the symptom is, regardless. Like you

know, don't judge. Like don't try to sort of justify. Yeah,

this is what happened. I'm stressed. I'm not sleeping well.

That is why I have this symptom.

Best to confirm. You know, sometimes some of the early

symptoms can you know we can catch them early enough. Then we

can treat much better. Next is what are the things you can do

for yourself. So no matter how severe a health challenge you're

dealing with, what I would suggest is make a written down

list of all the things. Like most people know, you know,

quite a some people may not know everything, but then they might

know that okay, it's like yesterday I was talking to a

relative, and she and her husband have diabetes, and she

said, "Oh, I use a few dates in my morning smoothie, and I'm

like my eyes are almost reaching my. Said, "Why are you having

dates? No, people say it's good for the brain. I said, "No,

that's sugar. Sugar in any form, whether it is natural or not, is

not the best thing for your brain, and particularly for

someone who has diabetes. So yes, information alone does not

change behavior, but right information is important. And

like Sandra and I said, there are no magic food or magic

supplements. Just have blueberries, or just have fatty

fish, and your brain's going to be good. No, so write

information, and the other thing is make a list of all the

changes that you probably want to make. So let us say you want

to start exercising. So instead of you know going and signing up

for a gym, you've not worked out for the last five years. Like is

that something you see yourself doing? Yes, the impact of going

to the gym would be fantastic.

But do you have the motivation right now? So, as a tiny habits

coach, I would say match your, you know, whatever it is, the

outcome you're looking for. Match it to your present

motivation level. If you've not worked out for the last five

years, like don't set yourself up for failure. Start with

something small. So start a tiny habit like I'm going to walk to

the mailbox every day. You know something, or even smaller.

Actually, in the tiny habits method, we say start with

something as simple as I'm going to take out my you know walking

shoes. Maybe my walking shoes are packed away in the basement,

so I'm just going to take them out, or maybe I'll just put them

on and tie the shoelace. Very often, people find that once

they do that, they usually end up going out for the walk. But

the third part of the tiny habits method. So first of all,

anchor it to something you already do. So let's say after I

put away my coffee cup in the morning, I'm going to you know

put on my shoes. But the third part of the tiny habit recipe,

and this is a method that comes from the work of Dr. B. J. Fogg

at Stanford. The third part is the part that a lot of people

miss is an instant celebration. So an instant celebration. There

are long list of things you can do. Something like, okay, I tied

my shoelace today, so Yahoo. You know, depending on your

personality, I'm not a Yahoo kind of person.

I would think of something like imaginary fireworks or something

that is meaningful to you. And what happens is most people

don't get this right. They feel that oh, it's so tiny. I'm just

putting on a putting on my shoes. How is that going to help

me? You know, exercise. No, that feeling when you celebrate that

feeling of you know that you feel good about it that

increases your motivation for doing something more difficult.

And don't raise the bar like the tiny habit remains that tiny,

but you will find, and I have seen it in myself. I have seen

it in a lot of people I have helped. That once they are

successful in doing something really tiny, and I think Sandra,

for many of your clients who are dealing with you know severe

brain trauma, like doing something really tiny, like I'm

going to do two dumbbell curls, like two dumbbell curls with a

two-pound weight, is absolutely. I mean, it's like you're going

to think, how is that going to impact? But you'll be surprised

to see really big deal. Yes, it's like it just it increases

on its own. There is nobody telling them do it, do it, do

it. You know, no notification on the phone prompting them, oh,

you need to do this, but this is how you know. This is why the

tiny habits method and behavior design.

All of this. First of all, make a list of everything that you

are. You know, this is the desired outcome. Let us say

someone wants to improve focus. What are the things you can do?

And they can actually talk to you because you help people with

that wonderful test. Yes. Yes. Yes. So Sandra has this really

nice test, and we all went through this testing on that on

that webinar. And it's surprising how quickly people

can actually improve on that. And doing something like that,

you know, doing that test and improving, seeing your scores

improve, that gives a wonderful feeling to people. So make a

list of all the things that you. What is the desired outcome? If

it is focus, what are the things that can improve focus? And out

of that list, I would say people should choose things that one

has a high impact on the outcome they are looking for, and the

second, which is the part that a lot of people, you know, miss

out? Is do you see yourself doing it? Actually doing it.

Yes. And if you if it doesn't happen, doesn't matter. This was

a self experiment. It didn't work. Try something else.

And you know what I say is, if you don't do it this

time, there's always tomorrow. Oh

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: yeah,

yeah. Well, so thank you, Doctor Shabnam. This has

been so full of practical strategies. What do you have as

a gift for people?

Dr. Shabnam Das Kar: Okay, so I have a weekly email which I talk

about brain health in general, or just health in general,

specifically brain and blood pressure, and people can. It's a

free email, so people can sign up on my website. So drcarmd.com

forward slash email, d r k a r md.com/e and you'll find a form

to give in your name and your email address, and you get to

down people get

to download a free book called 20 Myths About Brain

Health, where you know there are 20 things that people can, and

each of those can actually become like something you want

to implement? Yes, and that will be in the show notes. Yes. So,

and I also have a brain podcast with my co-host Andrea. So it's

all there on my website. Yeah, we are not as regular with the

you know with publishing episodes as we should be, but I

mean it's there. It will all be in the show notes. So thank you

so much, Dr. Shabnam, and for you listening, you have lots of

wonderful practical things to write down in your notes so you

can apply them to your life. Thank you so much for coming to

Brain Health and Healing. We will see you next time. Thank

you very much, Sandra. Thank you, everyone.

Isn't that wonderful having a functional medicine practitioner

come on and give us practical strategies for supporting brain

health? Dr. Shabnam is going to be on again with us in the

future to have us have more strategies for supporting our

brains. What did you learn today? What did you write down

to apply in your daily life? Go to the Brain Health and Healing

Facebook group and share what you learned. I am Sondra Lee

with Brain Health and Healing. If you want to share your story

of brain injury or of overcoming adversity, I would love to hear

it. I invite you to a complimentary 10-minute share

your story call. This is not a sales call; it's an opportunity

to share your experience. Go to shinewithsandra.com/brainstory.

and to hear what your body's been trying to tell you, get my

Imagine What's Possible audio gift. Go to shinewithsandra.com.

Your body heals itself every day.